The Trinity

[JudgeRightly]

I am a person. One whole person. I have a spirit (singular).

Yes, that is because you are human, not because you are a person.

If I were comprised of three persons then you could justifiably state that I had three spirits.... Like Legion or something. So yes; three persons can be considered three spirits.

The problem with this assumption is that it inherently assumes that God is like man.

That is wrong. Man was made in the image and likeness of God, not the other way around.

God is One Spirit, who exists as three Persons, who coexist as one Being.

Your definition of "person" is lacking.

As far as the plurality in your doctrine is concerned; if the Temple

A temple is a building. Are you referring to the body of Jesus Christ? If so, just say Jesus' body.

of GOD contained the fullness of GOD per your doctrine

The fullness of God was in Jesus, not his body.

of three persons together equaling the fullness of GOD,

One God, three Persons.

then the three persons or spirits

There is only one Spirit, but He exists as three Persons.

that make your god

You mean the God of the Bible? Because that's who I'm talking about. If so, please show some respect and capitalize the word 'God.'

are three and contained within the vessel where as the vessel too has a spirit because He is also a complete man. That's four.

Complete and utter nonsense.

God is one Spirit, and He exists as three Persons. Jesus is a Person, the Father is a Person, and the Holy Spirit is a Person.

The three are one.

The three are 'ehad,' "one of plurality."

I don't ignore scripture or that the Jew was off the mark in more than one respect; not because they followed the words of Moses, or the commands of GOD; but because of greed and pride being their GOD and the cause of their misdirection and misdirecting.

What does this have to do with anything?

Can you give the scripture that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are like a husband and wife?

I thought three in a marriage was a crowd?

WHOOSH!!!!

Once more, you completely missed the point that was made. You are apparently not capable of comprehending what we are saying.

So.... If Abraham wouldn't have offered up his son he would have still been counted righteous?

Let me ask you this, Pops, when did Abraham offer up Isaac, before or after he was made righteous?

Do you really think that you prove three different Gods are written in the scriptures but called one?

Straw man. No one here believes in three Gods.

One means the same.

One of the many definitions of the english word 'one' is "identical; the same," but does not have the connotation you are imputing to it. But that is completely irrelevant because:

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ENGLISH WORD 'ONE'! How many times must that be said?

The Bible has been translated with the right word on this and it means one as in the same.

No, GT, that's your definition, not the actual definition of the word used.

'Echad' means 'one of plurality.'

'Echad,' which means "one," is used to describe God's plurality.

God says there is no one like Him and no one beside Him.

NO ONE HERE SAYS OTHERWISE!!!!!!!

When He says that He is not really saying there is no one like the three of them or beside the three of them.

*facepalm*

I can hardly believe you said that.

Well too bad, I said it because it's the truth.

God allows some evil to happen. He made hell and the lake of fire for a reason.

God does not "allow" evil to happen, as if He permits evil to happen on a case by case basis. It simply happens.

Do you really think that the bad would still have happened if God did not allow it?

Yes, I know that God does not "allow" people to disobey Him. They simply do because they are free agents, and God cannot stop them from exercising their will.

Whenever someone falsely judges me, I know then exactly what it is that they are.

GT: "I know you are, but what am I?"

You cannot nullify scripture with scripture.

No one here making the argument for the trinity has used scripture to nullify scripture. we have only shown the dispensations which are present in the Bible.

Paul says all scripture is useful for teaching and correcting and raining.

He was correct.

You then got a scripture that you do not understand and think that is takes away the scripture about all scripture is useful for training.

You're the one who can't even comprehend it, let alone fully understand it.

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Pops:

Did Abraham offer up Isaac before or after he was justified/made righteous?

GT:

If I knowingly permit a man to murder his neighbor, am I to be held accountable for not stopping him?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Yes, that is because you are human, not because you are a person.



The problem with this assumption is that it inherently assumes that God is like man.

That is wrong. Man was made in the image and likeness of God, not the other way around.

God is One Spirit, who exists as three Persons, who coexist as one Being.

Your definition of "person" is lacking.



A temple is a building. Are you referring to the body of Jesus Christ? If so, just say Jesus' body.



The fullness of God was in Jesus, not his body.



One God, three Persons.



There is only one Spirit, but He exists as three Persons.



You mean the God of the Bible? Because that's who I'm talking about. If so, please show some respect and capitalize the word 'God.'



Complete and utter nonsense.

God is one Spirit, and He exists as three Persons. Jesus is a Person, the Father is a Person, and the Holy Spirit is a Person.

The three are one.

The three are 'ehad,' "one of plurality."



What does this have to do with anything?



WHOOSH!!!!

Once more, you completely missed the point that was made. You are apparently not capable of comprehending what we are saying.



Let me ask you this, Pops, when did Abraham offer up Isaac, before or after he was made righteous?



Straw man. No one here believes in three Gods.



One of the many definitions of the english word 'one' is "identical; the same," but does not have the connotation you are imputing to it. But that is completely irrelevant because:

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ENGLISH WORD 'ONE'! How many times must that be said?



No, GT, that's your definition, not the actual definition of the word used.

'Echad' means 'one of plurality.'

'Echad,' which means "one," is used to describe God's plurality.



NO ONE HERE SAYS OTHERWISE!!!!!!!



*facepalm*



Well too bad, I said it because it's the truth.



God does not "allow" evil to happen, as if He permits evil to happen on a case by case basis. It simply happens.



Yes, I know that God does not "allow" people to disobey Him. They simply do because they are free agents, and God cannot stop them from exercising their will.



GT: "I know you are, but what am I?"



No one here making the argument for the trinity has used scripture to nullify scripture. we have only shown the dispensations which are present in the Bible.



He was correct.



You're the one who can't even comprehend it, let alone fully understand it.

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Pops:

Did Abraham offer up Isaac before or after he was justified/made righteous?

GT:

If I knowingly permit a man to murder his neighbor, am I to be held accountable for not stopping him?

After; as his effectual faith; the working of his heart testified.

Is being justified and righteous synonymous with staying the same; in sin; or being changed and made new and pure?

 

[God's Truth]

God is One Spirit, who exists as three Persons, who coexist as one Being.

God is Spirit.
That means God the FATHER is Spirit.

The fullness of God was in Jesus, not his body.

What?! Inside Jesus’ body was his Spirit and His Spirit is God the Father’s.

One God, three Persons.

That makes three different Gods, and it makes it no matter if you deny it or not. It is the same kind of denial a Catholic gives when they call their brothers ‘father’ and when they bow to statues.

Complete and utter nonsense.

Your doctrine does make four Gods. Tell me where Jesus’ Man spirit is then.
Glorydaze keeps telling me I deny God coming as a Man when I say he has the same Spirit as God the Father living in him. If Jesus had another spirit living in him, then where is that spirit now?

The three are 'ehad,' "one of plurality."

God comes to us three ways, as Himself invisible, Himself with a body, and as Himself surrounding us everywhere and in His saved.

God is not two different Persons with another entity acting as a Spirit for both other Persons.

Once more, you completely missed the point that was made. You are apparently not capable of comprehending what we are saying.

I know what you two were trying to say, and it was not scripture.

Let me ask you this, Pops, when did Abraham offer up Isaac, before or after he was made righteous?

When do you think Abraham become righteous? The Bible says WHEN HE OBEYED.

One of the many definitions of the english word 'one' is "identical; the same," but does not have the connotation you are imputing to it. But that is completely irrelevant because:

WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ENGLISH WORD 'ONE'! How many times must that be said?

We are talking about the English word ‘one’. Do you really think you can escape the truth by claiming a different meaning for the CHOSEN ENGLISH WORD? God SAYS there is NO ONE LIKE HIM AND NO ONE besides Him.

NO ONE HERE SAYS OTHERWISE!!!!!!!

YOU say there is another Person besides Him!!!

God does not "allow" evil to happen, as if He permits evil to happen on a case by case basis. It simply happens.

Are you kidding? God KNOWS when a single bird dies.

Yes, I know that God does not "allow" people to disobey Him. They simply do because they are free agents, and God cannot stop them from exercising their will.

God allows them to do evil.

GT: "I know you are, but what am I?"

You have just exposed yourself to be a bully childish person.

He was correct.

Maybe you should explain it to your sister glorydazed because she thinks I am doing wrong by quoting God in the old testament to teach the Catholics not to bow to statures. She said Paul gave us the instructions that we can bow to anything and it now be okay understand his special gospel.

Pops:

Did Abraham offer up Isaac before or after he was justified/made righteous?

I want you to answer this so much:
Tell me when in the Bible that Abraham is chosen by God and what he did to show that he was righteous.

God also tested Abraham’s faith more by having him sacrifice his son.

GT:

If I knowingly permit a man to murder his neighbor, am I to be held accountable for not stopping him?

What? Are you really that lost?

 

[God's Truth]

You are either confused or a liar.

As JudgeRightly has CLEARLY shown you, one can have the meaning of UNITY and not necessarily SINGULARITY.

Tell me what part of there is no one beside Me or like Me that you don't get?

 

[God's Truth]

Have you started obeying Jesus yet?

Have you sold everything you have yet?

Have you started your ministry by preaching the Gospel starting with Jerusalem and then going around the cities around, yet? Oh, disobedient one.

Have you given away your cloak yet?

When you start by OBEYING ALL of Jesus' commandments as you so pridefully, vociferously claim you do, and then with a little voice says, 'oh, no, that Jesus' commandment was not for me, nah, that one either; I guess that one either, but I, gt, pridefully proclaim that I, gt, obey all of Jesus' commandments even though I, gt, myself say that I, gt, don't', then come back with your proof that you OBEY ALL of Jesus' commandments and come talk to me all about it so that I can praise you instead of Jesus and HIS perfect, atoning, vicarious, sacrificial, completed/finished work on the Cross of Calvary.

Jesus doesn't tell everyone to give everything away. Who would they give to then? What would the person to whom one is giving it do? You can't see that you speak from ignorance.

 

[Right Divider]

Tell me what part of there is no one beside Me or like Me that you don't get?

I get it. There is ONE God Who has shown Himself to mankind in THREE persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

It's not hard to understand, it's just too hard for you to believe.

 

[God's Truth]

I get it. There is ONE God Who has shown Himself to mankind in THREE persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

It's not hard to understand, it's just too hard for you to believe.

You say three Persons. Didn't another trinitarian here say two Persons and a Spirit?

What don't you get that the Father is a Spirit; Jesus is that same Spirit, as is the Holy Spirit.

 

[Right Divider]

You say three Persons. Didn't another trinitarian here say two Persons and a Spirit?

I don't care what anyone else says. You act like a four year old with your attempted distractions.

What don't you get that the Father is a Spirit; Jesus is that same Spirit, as is the Holy Spirit.

Same God, different persons.

 

[God's Truth]

I don't care what anyone else says. You act like a four year old with your attempted distractions.

That is exactly what you do.

Same God, different persons.

If they are different persons then they are different Gods.

 

[Right Divider]

That is exactly what you do.

That is a lie.

If they are different persons then they are different Gods.

That is also a lie.

The Bible that you despise says that the THREE are ONE.

 

[God's Truth]

That is a lie.


That is also a lie.

The Bible that you despise says that the THREE are ONE.

One means the same. You are the one who does what you falsely accuse me of.

 

[Right Divider]

One means the same.

No it does not and it will not become truth just because you keep mindlessly repeating it.

You are the one who does what you falsely accuse me of.

I do not falsely accuse you. I accurately and correctly accuse you.

 

[God's Truth]

No it does not and it will not become truth just because you keep mindlessly repeating it.

Take your own advice.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Translation: Disobedience.

I'm not seeing it.

Can you give some scripture to support that God commanded Abram not to bed Hagar?

 

[glorydaz]

You cannot nullify scripture with scripture.

Paul says all scripture is useful for teaching and correcting and raining.

You then got a scripture that you do not understand and think that is takes away the scripture about all scripture is useful for training.

Scripture is not being nullified by me....or Paul. It's being explained in the light of the revelation given to Paul. You want to ignore what the Risen Lord revealed to Pau rather than believe it.

But, I think you know that. You just refuse to admit it.

 

[glorydaz]

I know Him better than you think.

I'm only going by what you have said here on the forum. From that, it's clear you are very confused. That means you do not yet know Him. You are still trying to figure out WHO God is.

 

[glorydaz]

Don't you understand that all deeds or actions, thoughts and intents are known by GOD?

Yep, and He also knows when one's acts are done willingly rather than from threat of punishment.

How would one ever be at peace with their conscience if they only spoke with their mouth without ever actually acting on what they know.

You're speaking of hypocrites...not those in the body of Christ.

Are we taught to simply pray for those who hunger when we have an abundance of food?

Are we to simply pray for those in the cold without a coat, or are we to give to them what we have for their sake?

And you assume those who don't advertise their good deeds don't have any?

If you speak of your good deeds, you have your glory from men....not God.

Believing is living according to belief. If you don't live it then you don't believe or love IT, or He who was sent by HIM.

If you spend your time imagining the failures of others, you aren't living according to the faith you claim you have. You are simply a busy body.

 

[glorydaz]

No it does not and it will not become truth just because you keep mindlessly repeating it.


I do not falsely accuse you. I accurately and correctly accuse you.

:first:

 

[glorydaz]

I'm not seeing it.

Can you give some scripture to support that God commanded Abram not to bed Hagar?

His conscience should have been his guide. Just as his conscience should have been his guide back when he lied, and told Pharaoh that Sarah was his sister. He was also called Abram then. :think:

 

[glorydaz]

One means the same. You are the one who does what you falsely accuse me of.

Actually the body of Christ accuses you, and we are many in ONE body.