The Trinity

[Angel4Truth]

I'm not seeing it.

Can you give some scripture to support that God commanded Abram not to bed Hagar?

Do you not consider the lack of trust itself to be disobedience?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

His conscience should have been his guide. Just as his conscience should have been his guide back when he lied, and told Pharaoh that Sarah was his sister. He was also called Abram then. :think:

Agreed.

(However all sin is not synonymous with disobedience.)

23But the one who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that is not from faith is sin.


You know this.

Abram did not disobey God.

(His actions were not of faith but they were not an act of disobedience.

Abraham was not in possession of his soul as his actions showed doubt and impatience.)

Luke 21:19King James Version (KJV)
19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

If I'm wrong please provide scripture as to the explicit command Abram disobeyed.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Do you not consider the lack of trust itself to be disobedience?

Why should I?

 

[Angel4Truth]

Why should I?

You just quoted that lack of faith is sin. Would that mean abraham sinned in his lack of faith, which would be disobedience?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

You just quoted that lack of faith is sin. Would that mean abraham sinned in his lack of faith, which would be disobedience?

I'll tell yuh what.

I'm going to have to retract some of what I've said.

Now let me tell you why.

I've just now discovered that Abram had not been told that it was Sarah that would have the child until after Sarah gave him Hagar.

He had only been told that the seed would come from his body.

So then that act could not have been impatience or lack of trust. (my bad)

Nor could it be disobedience as Lifeisgood asserted.(several of you guys' bad)

Abram was not under the law or in direct disobedience to God.

For where there is no law sin is not imputed.

This site was very helpful.

https://bible.org/seriespage/5-abrahams-call-and-gods-covenant-genesis-1126-1727

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

His conscience should have been his guide. Just as his conscience should have been his guide back when he lied, and told Pharaoh that Sarah was his sister. He was also called Abram then. :think:

Now I have to laugh at myself.

He was still a law unto himself hunh?

Romans 2:14

“For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:”

Took awhile, didn't?

 

[God's Truth]

Scripture is not being nullified by me....or Paul.

Of course not by Paul.

It's being explained in the light of the revelation given to Paul. You want to ignore what the Risen Lord revealed to Pau rather than believe it.

But, I think you know that. You just refuse to admit it.

I can hardly believe that you think Paul would give another gospel after he warns everyone that even if he or an angel gave another gospel may they be accursed. Are you kidding me? According to you he gave another gospel!

 

[God's Truth]

His conscience should have been his guide. Just as his conscience should have been his guide back when he lied, and told Pharaoh that Sarah was his sister. He was also called Abram then. :think:

She was his sister.

 

[God's Truth]

His conscience should have been his guide. Just as his conscience should have been his guide back when he lied, and told Pharaoh that Sarah was his sister. He was also called Abram then. :think:

What was his name then?

 

[God's Truth]

Actually the body of Christ accuses you, and we are many in ONE body.

You should be more careful what you say.

 

[glorydaz]

Now I have to laugh at myself.

He was still a law unto himself hunh?

Romans 2:14

“For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:”

Took awhile, didn't?

Heck, if we can't laugh at ourselves, we have a real problem.

 

[God's Truth]

I'll tell yuh what.

I'm going to have to retract some of what I've said.

Now let me tell you why.

I've just now discovered that Abram had not been told that it was Sarah that would have the child until after Sarah gave him Hagar.

He had only been told that the seed would come from his body.

So then that act could not have been impatience or lack of trust. (my bad)

Nor could it be disobedience as Lifeisgood asserted.(several of you guys' bad)

Abram was not under the law or in direct disobedience to God.

For where there is no law sin is not imputed.

This site was very helpful.

https://bible.org/seriespage/5-abrahams-call-and-gods-covenant-genesis-1126-1727

Are you kidding?

Genesis 26:4-5I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."

 

[glorydaz]

I'll tell yuh what.

I'm going to have to retract some of what I've said.

Now let me tell you why.

I've just now discovered that Abram had not been told that it was Sarah that would have the child until after Sarah gave him Hagar.

He had only been told that the seed would come from his body.

So then that act could not have been impatience or lack of trust. (my bad)

Nor could it be disobedience as Lifeisgood asserted.(several of you guys' bad)

Abram was not under the law or in direct disobedience to God.

For where there is no law sin is not imputed.

This site was very helpful.

https://bible.org/seriespage/5-abrahams-call-and-gods-covenant-genesis-1126-1727

It's good that you did some research. Abram was 86 when Ishmael was born, and 99, I believe, when Isaac was born. His name was changed, too, at some point.

Correction 100.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Del

 

[glorydaz]

Are you kidding?

Genesis 26:4-5I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."

That's speaking of law keeping. It is not speaking of the righteousness of faith which was accounted when Abraham believed. That he obeyed the law has nothing to do with his being accounted as righteous. We see that here. How was faith then reckoned as righteousness?

Romans 4:10-11 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:​

You've been shown this and told this countless times, God's UNtruth and you continue to try and lead people astray with your false gospel of works (obedience to the LAW).

 

[glorydaz]

You should be more careful what you say.

I was very careful in what I said, and I stand by it.

 

[God's Truth]

That's speaking of law keeping. It is not speaking of the righteousness of faith which was accounted when Abraham believed. That he obeyed the law has nothing to do with his being accounted as righteous. We see that here. How was faith then reckoned as righteousness?

Romans 4:10-11 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:​

You've been shown this and told this countless times, God's UNtruth and you continue to try and lead people astray with your false gospel of works (obedience to the LAW).

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going.


That was BEFORE CIRCUMCISION.

 

[glorydaz]

Are you kidding?

Genesis 26:4-5I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."

Oh, and that was when, once again, he lied about Sarah being his sister.

I would say that being counted as righteous because of faith is more important than law keeping. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

Of course not by Paul.



I can hardly believe that you think Paul would give another gospel after he warns everyone that even if he or an angel gave another gospel may they be accursed. Are you kidding me? According to you he gave another gospel!

Another Gospel than the one the Risen Lord had revealed to Him. Stop trying to corrupt the word of God.

 

[God's Truth]

That's speaking of law keeping. It is not speaking of the righteousness of faith which was accounted when Abraham believed. That he obeyed the law has nothing to do with his being accounted as righteous. We see that here. How was faith then reckoned as righteousness?

Romans 4:10-11 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:​

You've been shown this and told this countless times, God's UNtruth and you continue to try and lead people astray with your false gospel of works (obedience to the LAW).

Those scriptures prove I am right, for I have been telling you for a long time now that the WORKS THAT DON'T save anymore are the ceremonial/purification works like CIRCUMCISION. Read the scriptures you gave, Paul even SAYS it is before CIRCUMCISION that Abraham was counted as righteous.