The Trinity

[glorydaz]

Yes but....Nobody is without some influence from outside sources.

Good point. And we know GT had lots of "influence".

That said, her response has been to over-correct those influences and come up with her very own false teaching....that just happens to change like the wind.

 

[God's Truth]

To clarify ( thanks to @ 1Mind1Spirit )....whatever is not faith is sin. Abraham was still Abram when he took Hagar into his tent.

But, Abraham, like Saul/Paul, was "blameless" under the law. Righteousness is not found in law keeping.

What?! lol

 

[God's Truth]

Good point. And we know GT had lots of "influence".

That said, her response has been to over-correct those influences and come up with her very own false teaching....that just happens to change like the wind.

My teaching has been the same.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

To clarify ( thanks to @ 1Mind1Spirit )....whatever is not faith is sin. Abraham was still Abram when he took Hagar into his tent.

But, Abraham, like Saul/Paul, was "blameless" under the law. Righteousness is not found in law keeping.

Yep, when things happen is important too.

 

[glorydaz]

Ranks right up there with hay, wood and stubble. :thumb:

Even worse since she has no foundation.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Even satan can cite scripture. It's random and, therefore, merely an unaimed sword.

It was pertinent to the subject of Israel at this time and the fact that there is no Jew or gentile.

You not seeing that is telling.

 

[glorydaz]

What?! lol

Never mind.....it's above your pay grade.

 

[God's Truth]

Yeah, I didn't say God was the author of confusion. I said the Truth was confusing TO HER.

The truth is confusing TO HER....because she has bought into her own false teaching.

She really does believe her own lies....self delusion is a horrible thing.

Delusional is right.
See how that works when you falsely judge.

 

[glorydaz]

It was pertinent to the subject of Israel at this time and the fact that there is no Jew or gentile.

You not seeing that is telling.

I did see....you remind me of Don Quixote mistaking windmills for giants. :rotfl:

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

You don't even know Jesus is God.

Do you like ganging up on me in the trinity thread?

I think I'll just avoid this question.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Even worse since she has no foundation.

Damn.lain:

 

[glorydaz]

I think you are the one with a meltdown.

Think up your own material. :baby:

 

[popsthebuilder]

I did see....you remind me of Don Quixote mistaking windmills for giants. :rotfl:

If you had then you wouldn't have acted like you hadn't.

Unless you are being deceitful.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Damn.lain:

What is plain is each of our works for all to see; none of which but One matters.

 

[popsthebuilder]

See, you add words, and intentionally twist what we say, and then attack that.

That's called a straw-man argument, GT. Stop it.

We did not say there are three Gods.

We did not say:



We said there is One God, who expresses Himself in Three Persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. One God. Three Persons.

One God.
Three Persons.
Father.
Son.
Holy Spirit.

Get it?

So can we talk about how everything is of the Word of GOD except GOD which the Word came from; showing in itself that the doctrine of the coeternal Son doesn't seem accurate (being firstborn and that which all else is through and eternal for all time to come is not eternal in the fullness of the word; the Word had a start)?

 

[JudgeRightly]

I think you are the one with a meltdown.

GT: "I know you are, but what am I?"

 

[popsthebuilder]

No, one does not mean the same.

"The LORD our God, the LORD is one [echad]."

"Echad" means one of plurality. Let's use "one" in a sentence that shows plurality:

"The people spoke with one voice."

Now, if what you say is true (that "one" means "the same"), here's a few questions for you:

Did all the people use the same set of vocal chords to speak? Or each individual person use their own vocal cords to say the same thing? Was there just one and the same voice speaking? Or were there multiple voices saying the same thing?

What about this verse?

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. - Genesis 2:24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis2:24&version=NKJV

"Echad" is used in this verse also, showing a plurality in the "oneness" made by a man and a woman coming together in marriage.

Does that mean they are the same person?

I tell you NO, OF COURSE NOT!

One does not mean the same.



And where does it say that He obeyed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness in Genesis?

The "knowledge" of man.

One is singular; as in united; though many, making up the whole.

You know; like the branches make up the vine though they be different in shape and direction?

 

[popsthebuilder]

God's unTruth: "I know you are, but what am I?"



No one has denied or "neglected" the fact that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are spirit. NO ONE.
Jesus now has two natures, spirit and man.

In fact, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are the original Persons.



There's that 'addition to scripture' you keep adding.

There's no "and the same" when it says "the three are one." Stop adding it.

God is one of plurality.

He is one God who expresses Himself in three Persons.



I'm not sure where you're getting your information from...

Sounds like another straw man argument to me.

Not true

You seem to deny that they are One Spirit

 

[JudgeRightly]

So can we talk about how everything is of the Word of GOD except GOD which the Word came from; showing in itself that the doctrine of the coeternal Son doesn't seem accurate (being firstborn and that which all else is through and eternal for all time to come is not eternal in the fullness of the word; the Word had a start)?

No, because you have refused to even attempt to understand how it all works.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Yes, I'd say being fashioned as a man had it's affect.

Jesus has One nature alone; as the flesh and decaying man is put off in favor of the things and direction of the Spirit that fills the vessel and is life.