The Trinity
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How am I denying the Lord by saying that "Christ" and "Lord" are not synonymous, but can be used interchangeably to refer to the SAME PERSON?
What are you talking about?
You clearly cannot see the distinction I am making.
I am not saying that "Christ" and "Lord" are not interchangeable. I am not saying that they both can refer to the SAME PERSON.
I AM saying that "Christ" and "Lord" do not mean the same thing.
I AM saying that "Christ" and "Lord" are not synonymous.
Those words CAN refer to the same person, but THAT DOES NOT MAKE THEM MEAN THE SAME THING!
popsthebuilder
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Come on; did I not say "seem" as in May seem snippy; as in that may be their subjective opinion. They said you were a worker of Satan. I was only trying to show how they could me perceiving you with bias due to certain circumstances. If I didn't use the word seem then I surely meant to.
I was NOT judging you, and agree that some must be rebuked sharply.
God's Truth
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It seems that you took the side of the slanderers. I am not snippy. That word means condescending. Did you not come up with that word?
God's Truth
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I have proven with scripture that they are synonymous.
popsthebuilder
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No....i see what you are saying; but in the case of Jesus He was anointed with the Holy Spirit, the oil was simply a sign for man. The anointing is what does make Him Lord. In this case Lord and Christ are synonymous. If the Holy Spirit visits you or even dwells in you, is that not the Lord GOD?
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popsthebuilder
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I was playing the devils advocate, if you will pardon the expression.
Nothing more.
Can that not be the end of it?
Just for the record, I misunderstood the point you were making and missed the reference to 1 Peter.
This happened because I just don't care about anything you have to say. This alone makes the conversation a waste of our time. I shouldn't have ever taken you off of ignore. My bad. Won't happen again.
God's Truth
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Okay, definitely.
God's Truth
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Your loss.
God's Truth
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See how you resort to insult. I depend on the scriptures to defend my beliefs.
Your beliefs are found nowhere in the scriptures.
God's Truth
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That is just your opinion. How about you address the scriptures I gave to prove my beliefs?
Come on, BR. Tell us why the words 'Christ', 'LORD', and 'God' were used for the exact same time for the exact same instance.
John 14:23 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
John 14:26 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.
Now show me where scripture says that Jesus is the Father and Jesus is the Holy Spirit. I seem to have missed that one.
God's Truth
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So much for you addressing the scriptures I gave.
As for the scriptures you would like to discuss,Jesus says that the Father and he will live with the one who obeys him. Tell me, how many Spirits are given to the one saved? I will tell you, the saved are given one Spirit. God the Father is Spirit, Jesus is Spirit, and when one is saved they are given the same one Spirit. That scripture proves they are the exact same.
popsthebuilder
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(we see here again, the fact that Christ indeed represents the Spirit of GOD and the effect of GOD on the heart (working of the Holy Spirit))
1 Peter 3: 15. But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 16. Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 18. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19. By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20. Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22. Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
1 Peter 3: 15. But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 16. Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 18. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19. By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20. Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22. Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
popsthebuilder
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(furthermore; proof that the conscience or rather; a clear conscience is due to abiding by the Spirit, and is not the same as ignoring your conscience or the teachings and example of Jesus the Christ. of GOD.)
1 Peter 4: 1. Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2. That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3. For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4. Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5. Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 6. For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. 7. But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 8. And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 9. Use hospitality one to another without grudging. 10. As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11. If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 12. Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13. But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18. And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19. Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
1 Peter 4: 1. Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2. That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3. For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4. Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5. Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 6. For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. 7. But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 8. And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. 9. Use hospitality one to another without grudging. 10. As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. 11. If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 12. Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13. But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 14. If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified. 15. But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17. For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18. And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19. Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
God's Truth
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It was a mystery that Jesus would reconcile us to God. Being reconciled to God is about God living in the saved and the saved living in God. That is about the Holy Spirit living in us, the Holy Spirit who is God the Father, and Jesus Christ the Son; and, it is Jesus being the Spirit, and the Holy Spirit being God. All are the one and only divine Spirit.
That scripture further proves what I have been saying.
How many Spirits are the saved given? They are given one Spirit; yet, we have the Spirit of God in us and the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of Jesus and the Spirit of His Son. ALL ARE THE ONE AND ONLY SPIRIT.