The Trinity

[God's Truth]

Quit crying like a little baby and support your posts with SCRIPTURE.

I don't recall seeing you provide SCRIPTURE to support these wild claims.

You prove it will not go well when you start off insulting me. I am not crying. If I did cry it would not be like a baby it would be like a grown adult.

 

[Right Divider]

You prove it will not go well when you start off insulting me. I am not crying. If I did cry it would not be like a baby it would be like a grown adult.

Quit crying like a grown adult and provide SCRIPTURE to support your claim.

 

[God's Truth]

Everything that was ever made was made through Jesus.

Adam and Eve sinned and were banished.

Jesus came to reconcile all and put us back in him.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I know I said Jesus was never separated from the Father.

Pay attention.

I will say it again, Jesus was never separated from his Father and Jesus never died Spiritually.

Death is separation. I think we've established that. If you have any argument against that, then you need to establish that death is something different.

What does "forsake" mean?

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” - Matthew 27:46 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew27:46&version=NKJV

So, if Jesus didn't really mean "Why have you (God the Father) forsaken me," why did He say it?

 

[JudgeRightly]

Everything that was ever made was made through Jesus.

Adam and Eve sinned and were banished.

Jesus came to reconcile all and put us back in him.

What in the world does that have to do with anything we're talking about?

 

[Right Divider]

Everything that was ever made what made through Jesus.

Well the LORD Jesus Christ being GOD... of course. Nothing to do with "His body".

Adam and Eve sinned and were banished.

Irrelevant and does NOT address the point that I HIGHLIGHTED earlier.

Jesus came to reconcile all and put us back in him.

Vague and does NOT address the point that I HIGHLIGHTED earlier.

Where is the SCRIPTURE?

Your opinions are useless.

 

[Right Divider]

What in the world does that have to do with anything we're talking about?

Exactly.... she and SO many others here cannot even discuss a topic without ignoring the content and going off on their own vain opinions.

 

[God's Truth]

Death is separation. I think we've established that.

No, it is not separation.

If you have any argument against that, then you need to establish that death is something different.

Sin separates us from God. Jesus did not sin.

What does "forsake" mean?

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” - Matthew 27:46

So, if Jesus didn't really mean "Why have you (God the Father) forsaken me," why did He say it?

That is about Jesus suffering and dying and not being rescued by God---except Jesus knew he would not be rescued from suffering and dying because he laid down his life for us.

 

[God's Truth]

What in the world does that have to do with anything we're talking about?

I was asked. You have a hard time debating don't you.

 

[God's Truth]

Exactly.... she and SO many others here cannot even discuss a topic without ignoring the content and going off on their own vain opinions.

Are you kidding? You ASKED me about that.

Who am I debating here? So many of you want to be teachers and dividers of the word but you don't have the mental capacity to do so do you?

 

[God's Truth]

Well the LORD Jesus Christ being GOD... of course. Nothing to do with "His body".


Irrelevant and does NOT address the point that I HIGHLIGHTED earlier.


Vague and does NOT address the point that I HIGHLIGHTED earlier.

Where is the SCRIPTURE?

Your opinions are useless.

I have to go for now. I have all the scriptures to prove my beliefs; but, what good will it do you to see the scriptures? You don't even remember that you asked me about it and you gave JR thanks for not knowing what I was talking about and why.

I hope when I get back you will have reread and thought about it all more carefully.

 

[JudgeRightly]

No, it is not separation.

Then please, by all means, define what death is.

Sin separates us from God. Jesus did not sin.

No one is saying He sinned.

But Scripture DOES say that Jesus became sin for us.

For He [God the Father] made Him who knew no sin [God the Son, Jesus] to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. - 2 Corinthians 5:21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians5:21&version=NKJV

So, if Jesus did not sin, but instead became sin for us, would that not be what would separate Him from the Father?

That is about Jesus suffering and dying and not being rescued by God

I assure you, it is not. See above.

---except Jesus knew he would not be rescued from suffering and dying because he laid down his life for us.

Of course He did. But that doesn't mean that God didn't forsake Him.

 

[glorydaz]

Right!

And I understand that there is such thing as a depraved mind. The only thing I was guarding against is the idea that sound reason somehow works differently for human beings than it does for anyone else, including God. Understanding is understanding. As human beings, ee may have limited information, intelligence and wisdom compared to God but the process of thought still works the same and the concept of understanding is identical. The difference is only in degree not type.

Clete

Amen...made in the image of God, are we not? Thanks for you input, Clete. This is a big subject.

 

[glorydaz]

We aren't to call any fool.

We are to regard our enemy as our brother.

What good comes from calling a friend brother and casting away an enemy?


You are yet another who seems to have zero faith in the actual teachings of the Christ of GOD.

Regardless of if you care about what I feel or not; it is indeed, disheartening to me and should be to any other believer.

You do not yet know the Lord Jesus Christ, do you, Pops?

You are but a seeker who refuses to listen. :sigh:

Matthew 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

Luke 11:40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:​

 

[popsthebuilder]

You do not yet know the Lord Jesus Christ, do you, Pops?

You are but a seeker who refuses to listen. :sigh:

Matthew 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

Luke 11:40 Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also?

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:​

Just because Jesus refered to the Pharisees and sadducees as fool doesn't mean we are to call any fool.

 

[glorydaz]

You are not paying good enough attention.


That proves the word Christ means the same as LORD and God. The Father is 'Me', and so Christ is also Father.

No, the Messiah, the Anointed One is what He was called. It became part of His name when He came as the Messiah. He was God the Word before He became flesh.

Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Matthew 16:20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Matthew 26:63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.​

 

[glorydaz]

You are making things up.

Please do not accuse me of denying Christ my Lord and Savior.

I'm not making things up, and your own words convict you...not me.

 

[glorydaz]

I did more than not just attack it.

Are you expecting him to bow down or bring you flowers?

What is it you actually seek, GT?

 

[popsthebuilder]

I'm not making things up, and your own words convict you...not me.

Then you could and would show such to be true.

 

[glorydaz]

Oh..... I see..... Another who thinks there are two gospels and that spiritual Israel isn't spread throughout the world; another who divides Jew and gentile.

Please learn about these things. Perhaps you could maybe put actual thought into your words as opposed to defending them indiscriminately. If you loved your enemy and actually looked to judge rightly then the precept about not making a show of what you, in your vanity, find to be lesser than your own in terms of cognitive capacity, would stop you from ever calling me, or another here, a fool, or the equivalent there of. If you loved your enemy and understood, then you would rebuke them in a manner that actually believed them and glorified GOD. righteous is not synonymous with haughty or arrogant, or proud, or want of defamation of another.

You cling to righteousness that you do not even understand, seemingly; especially that righteous judgement is from and of GOD alone; when you should be focusing on equity and mercy.

You are saying one thing and displaying another; neither of which do you seem to understand in your vanity.

Literal hypocrisy and willful ignorance (hint friend; willful ignorance is NOT ignorance; fear GOD.)

I hope GOD guides us both through Christ to what is good and right....

Let the two of us not speak to one another unless it is as if for the first time... please.

Pops, you have admitted that you haven't spent much time reading the Bible. You have no clue what the Bible teaches. Yet, you have the unmitigated gall to lecture those who are members of the body of Christ, who are simply trying to get you to open your blind eyes to the truth of what God's word says.

You are the hypocrite....a pharisee who only cares about outside appearances. You, Pops, are a whited sepulchre filled with dead mens bones. And those are Jesus's words to men exactly like you.

Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.​

Put off your foolish pride, Pops, before you time runs out on this earth.