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He did not spare His own Son from suffering and dying.
Jesus made the decision to do that because he is God come in the flesh and came to die for the sins of the world.
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He did not spare His own Son from suffering and dying.
Jesus made the decision to do that because he is God come in the flesh and came to die for the sins of the world.
So He didn't really mean what He said when He said "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me?"?
Easy! Beleive what you're taught without questioning the teacher.
I'd be surprised if 10% of Christians lean their doctrine by actually reading the bible.
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When one suffers and dies it is as if God has forsaken them because He did not stop it and save them from that hour. However, Jesus came to suffer and die. It does not mean God the Father was separated from His Son.
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Sounds like you described yourself.
Except Jesus wasn't dead yet.
Also, Jesus had gone willingly to the cross, and He even asked His Father if there was any other way to save mankind, but since there was no other way, He chose to go, knowing that His Father would not be able to do anything about it, for it was necessary.
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He was suffering and dying.
popsthebuilder
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Thank you.
Except Jesus wasn't dead yet.
Also, Jesus had gone willingly to the cross, and He even asked His Father if there was any other way to save mankind, but since there was no other way, He chose to go, knowing that His Father would not be able to do anything about it, for it was necessary.
Everyone knows that he was quoting scripture. It doesn't change the fact that He said it nor does any potential double meaning suggest that it didn't actually happen. It did happen. Not only did Jesus say it explicitly but then later, after the resurrection, He said that He not yet ascended to the Father. The direct implication being that He had spent the last three days away from the Father, in the same place as all the rest of the righteous dead (i.e. the grave; Abraham's bosom; Paradise whatever you want to call it.).
It's the clearest understanding of the plain reading of scripture. You claim that "we know God the Father did not" forsake Jesus but Jesus Himself clearly stated otherwise. On what basis should anyone accept your unsubstantiated claim over the plainly spoken word of the Creator of all things?
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My whole life (it seems) is spent guarding against exactly that.
popsthebuilder
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That doesn't show that the Spirit that was in the physical vessel of Jesus, the temple of GOD, died spiritually.
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Of course Jesus could have not done it.
As for you constantly saying Jesus did not die yet, what is your point in saying that?
Do you think the Father forsook Jesus after he died?
Is that what you are saying?
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You have beliefs from many false teachers. It happens.
Couldn't have done what? You lost me.
No, I'm saying that the Father forsook Jesus (Jesus' spiritual death) before He died physically. He was separated from the Father before his physical body died, and he remained separated from the Father for 3 days afterward.
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You are not paying well enough attention to what the Bible says and what I said.
It was said here that Jesus was SEPARATED from the Father.
People are going against me here for saying Jesus was never separated from the Father.
Give the scripture that says Jesus was separated from the Father, or repent.
As for Jesus being forsaken, it is about having to suffer and die, which Jesus did WILLINGLY. He laid down his own life.
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You said Jesus didn't have a choice on whether or not he would suffer and die.
Of course Jesus had a choice.
Jesus did not die Spiritually!
There is no way Jesus was ever dead and separated from His Father Spiritually.
You are badly mistaken.
Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father come as a Man.
When Jesus died on the cross, he lived on in the Spirit and went to preach the gospel to the spirits in prison/hell; then Jesus raised himself from the dead.
Because you did say that Jesus was never separated from the Father, multiple times, and you said that the Father never forsook the Son, multiple times.
I quoted your statements for you. Here they are:
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Quit crying like a little baby and support your posts with SCRIPTURE.
I don't recall seeing you provide SCRIPTURE to support these wild claims.
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I know I said Jesus was never separated from the Father.
Pay attention.
I will say it again, Jesus was never separated from his Father and Jesus never died Spiritually.