The Trinity

[marhig]

Marhig, are you able to answer the question? It seems difficult to proceed in logical steps when your responses keep moving about in curly ques.

Originally Posted by Rosenritter
I realize that we haven't yet come to agreement on interpretation and reading, but I appreciate that you do honor the whole scripture. Would you answer this question please? If the LORD God appears to a prophet in a dream, is this also God? Or would you say this is not God because it was not the fullness of God in power and glory?

Spoiler

I really am trying to go somewhere this this. It won't work if I cannot get concrete answers with these little tiny steps I'm trying here.

Hi RR, firstly Logical steps? I see the bible in the Spirit not logically. I don't try and work it out, I wait for God to show me and pray to him and ask him if it's his will to show me, or for him to give me an answer for others. If it's his will, then he will.

And I did answer you, I said God comes in dreams. In visions, in his people, through his Spirit and in everything he's Created. But whomsoever or whatsoever he comes through, is through Christ by the Spirit, but all have received revelation from the father.

 

[marhig]

Every time I try to take baby steps with questions, they always criticize me for being deceptive. Don't expect them to play along.

Baby steps? Ok, this is a pretty simple one; JR, what do your think of Christ Jesus calling God, his God and father and the apostles calling God, the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ? Why do that if Jesus is the father and he is God?

And when Jesus says that the father is the only true God, and that he sent him, am I not supposed to believe him? Thanks

 

[lifeisgood]

Just believe what is written. The Lord is the Spirit.

You cannot take a verse out of its original perfect context because you make a pretext.
If all you read is one verse you are missing the whole of what the Lord wants you to see.

 

[God's Truth]

So if everyone you neg rep is sound in the faith? Must be working!

That is some twisting you do.

 

[lifeisgood]

So if everyone you neg rep is sound in the faith? Must be working!

:thumb:

 

[God's Truth]

You cannot take a verse out of its original perfect context because you make a pretext.
If all you read is one verse you are missing the whole of what the Lord wants you to see.

The Word of God is true and you try to change it because you don't want to believe what is plainly written.

You are like this, "Did God really say ___"? See Genesis 3:1.

Yes, God really did say the Lord is the Spirit.

 

[lifeisgood]

The Word of God is true...

Correct.

and you try to change it because you don't want to believe what is plainly written.

Incorrect.

You are like this, "Did God really say ___"? See Genesis 3:1.

Yes, God really did say the Lord is the Spirit.

Totally void of reading for comprehension.

PS: I did not know that a neg repper could change the neg rep information after it was given.

 

[God's Truth]

Read this scripture, it says we should not test CHRIST:

1 Corinthians 10:9 We should not test Christ, as some of them did--and were killed by snakes.


Did you read that? Jesus is Christ, agree? That scripture shows us that Christ was in the desert with Moses.

Now read this scripture:
Exodus 17:2
Therefore the people quarreled with Moses and said, "Give us water that we may drink." And Moses said to them, "Why do you quarrel with me? Why do you test the LORD?"

Did you read that?

MOSES says why you test the LORD.

Test who?

Christ.

Test who?

The LORD.

Now read this scripture:

Psalm 106:14
But craved intensely in the wilderness, And tempted God in the desert.

Did you read that?

Test who in the desert?

TESTED GOD.

Read this scripture:

Psalm 95:9
"When your fathers tested Me, They tried Me, though they had seen My work.

Tested who?

Tested Me.

Who is Me?

Me is God the Father.

So then, we can see that Christ is the LORD God the Father.

Christ means God/Lord/Spirit.
That is who God is, He is God, Lord, Spirit.
That is who Jesus is, He is God, Lord, Spirit.
There is only one God and He is the Father.
Jesus is that one and same God the Father come in the flesh as a Man.

Jesus is the Christ, the Lord God and Father.

 

[God's Truth]

Correct.



Incorrect.



Totally void of reading for comprehension.

PS: I did not know that a neg repper could change the neg rep information after it was given.

Why don't you have that investigated. lol

 

[Rosenritter]

Hi RR, firstly Logical steps? I see the bible in the Spirit not logically. I don't try and work it out, I wait for God to show me and pray to him and ask him if it's his will to show me, or for him to give me an answer for others. If it's his will, then he will.

And I did answer you, I said God comes in dreams. In visions, in his people, through his Spirit and in everything he's Created. But whomsoever or whatsoever he comes through, is through Christ by the Spirit, but all have received revelation from the father.

Yes, logical steps. It is right to use logical deduction. God is the author of logic, not the author of confusion. So to clarify your answer, when God appears in a dream and speaks through that image, it is God speaking? You wouldn't tell someone who saw heard God speak in a dream that they were not seeing God simply because it was in the form of a dream, would you? (Let's assume our friend was neither deceived nor delusional.)

 

[Rosenritter]

Baby steps? Ok, this is a pretty simple one; JR, what do your think of Christ Jesus calling God, his God and father and the apostles calling God, the God and father of our Lord Jesus Christ? Why do that if Jesus is the father and he is God?

And when Jesus says that the father is the only true God, and that he sent him, am I not supposed to believe him? Thanks

Jesus is confirming that he is from God.... as opposed to performing works by the prince of devils. With the powers that Jesus demonstrated, he was either on one side or the other. Now that said, is it wrong for God himself going to say he is on Team God?

It's like the story you hear of when the company is getting ready to impress the big boss and doesn't pay much attention to the new legal secretary head office approved for hire. The legal secretary gets to see what the operation is really like, and they might be a bit surprised when they find out that the big boss was their secretary during the last week. Yes, the secretary may be "secretary under the boss" but the fuller picture is that the secretary WAS that boss. So when asked, who does the secretary call the boss? The boss in the main office, that's who.

Remember, God is a title and position. There's nothing saying that God and Savior and Messiah cannot all fall to the same person, any more than a movie director is prevented from casting himself in his own script. Besides, HOW ELSE would God ensure that a perfect Lamb without sin was provided? Who else is perfect and without sin? Who else can forgive sin? The nature of the sacrifice is that only God has the qualifications.

 

[Right Divider]

Remember, God is a title and position.

No wonder you're so utterly confused.

 

[Rosenritter]

You cannot take a verse out of its original perfect context because you make a pretext.
If all you read is one verse you are missing the whole of what the Lord wants you to see.

Originally Posted by God's Truth
Just believe what is written. The Lord is the Spirit.

Luk 24:36-39 KJV
(36) And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
(37) But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
(38) And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
(39) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

So if I used this passage to say that Jesus is not spirit, that would also be an example of pretext too, correct?

 

[Rosenritter]

No wonder you're so utterly confused.

I think you're the one that is confused. You'd normally agree on this.

Rev 21:6-7 KJV
(6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
(7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

"God" is not actually a name, which is why the grammar uses "his God" in examples like the above.

 

[Right Divider]

I think you're the one that is confused. You'd normally agree on this.

Rev 21:6-7 KJV
(6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
(7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

"God" is not actually a name, which is why the grammar uses "his God" in examples like the above.

God is not name or a title.

God is a being. The Creator of all things.

Col 1:16 (KJV)​

(1:16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: ​

 

[Lon]

Titus 1:13 This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith

:nono: Not when 'deserved' is your retribution. I've come close to neg repping a few. A rebuke is different than retribution, however. A rebuke is done in love, no? Colossians 3:23? 1 Corinthians 16:14? Me? I'm guilty, just trying to help us all learn a better way. :e4e:

 

[lifeisgood]

Luk 24:36-39 KJV
(36) And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
(37) But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
(38) And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
(39) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

So if I used this passage to say that Jesus is not spirit, that would also be an example of pretext too, correct?

Only if you want to use it to say what it does not mean, which is gt's example.
The original perfect context here is Jesus physically showing His disciples that He was resurrected.

 

[God's Truth]

Luk 24:36-39 KJV
(36) And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
(37) But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
(38) And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
(39) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

So if I used this passage to say that Jesus is not spirit, that would also be an example of pretext too, correct?

Jesus was in the flesh and not a spirit.
Only someone ignorant and unstable would think that scripture means Jesus is not the Spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

I think you're the one that is confused. You'd normally agree on this.

Rev 21:6-7 KJV
(6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
(7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

"God" is not actually a name, which is why the grammar uses "his God" in examples like the above.

There is only one God. So your reasoning is ignorant.

 

[God's Truth]

:nono: Not when 'deserved' is your retribution. I've come close to neg repping a few. A rebuke is different than retribution, however. A rebuke is done in love, no? Colossians 3:23? 1 Corinthians 16:14? Me? I'm guilty, just trying to help us all learn a better way. :e4e:

Oh for goodness sake.