The Trinity

[God's Truth]

Judge Rightly, you are certainly confused. You are getting the title confused with the the person that has the title. Try using a different word for a moment and see how this conversation would look.

Person A: "Emperor is not a name, it is a title."
Person B: "No it isn't, Emperor is not a name or a title, it is a being, the ruler of all China."

God is certainly a title, it shows relation. He uses this in Revelation 21:7, "I shall be his God, and he shall be my son." The being that you refer to as God has a name (actually many names). We do refer to God as God and that is not incorrect, but it would be like calling someone "Captain" instead of "Sam" ... not wrong, just a little less personal. Captain refers to his rank role and position, but it doesn't define and name the person.

You have no idea the correct pronunciation of God's name. It doesn't make a difference if you call God 'God'. What matters is if you give Him a name and claim that those who don't use it are in error.

 

[God's Truth]

Sorry. But Jesus clearly calls God his God and father, as do the apostles, and Jesus says that the father is the only true God and that he is sent by him.

And I believe him.

Jesus was speaking as God coming as a Son. You say you believe the scriptures, then why don't you believe the scriptures that plainly show us that there is only one Spirit and that Jesus is that Spirit?

 

[God's Truth]

That's where you are confused. Those aren't opposites. And you're doing the same thing again, and it's that type of confusion that fuels Unitarian misunderstanding. I'll spell it out for clarity:

The word "God" is a title, not the person or being. The title "God" shows relational significance, status, rank. The being that we know as God has this title. "Jesus is God, Jesus is our God" is not an innate contradiction. Jesus is a name, God is a title.

Hopefully you don't need to disagree, but if you must, will you please tell me what is behind your objection? For example, "if you say such and such that would lead one to think or believe ...." etc?

What don't you get that there is and was and will be only ONE God? So calling the word 'God' a title is deceptive. Emperor is a title, but there will be many other Emperor's; so then, a specific name of an Emperor would be necessary. Just like the word 'pope', it is a title, but there have been many Catholic popes. That is why a name of the pope is important; or saying the 'current pope'. You fail to get it that it there is only one God and calling 'God' a title is futile.

It is kind of like when we debated about God being called 'Father' in the Old Testament. I gave you many scriptures that prove He was called 'Father', but you went on about deceptive things that amount to nothing.

 

[Rosenritter]

It is kind of like when we debated about God being called 'Father' in the Old Testament. I gave you many scriptures that prove He was called 'Father', but you went on about deceptive things that amount to nothing.

I don't "debate" you. I generally place you on ignore and every now and then I peek at a comment. Sort of like this time.

 

[marhig]

Jesus was speaking as God coming as a Son. You say you believe the scriptures, then why don't you believe the scriptures that plainly show us that there is only one Spirit and that Jesus is that Spirit?

The scriptures plainly show us that Jesus said he will ask the father to send the Spirit. And that he himself was born of the Spirit, and that the Spirit descended upon him, and that he grew stronger in the Spirit from a child. And that there is the father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, so there are three but the Father is in them all, and they are in him, and they are one, in love, and all of the same Spiritual heart and mind, full of the same love, word, compassion, mercy and forgiveness and we are one with them in God when we are born of God and produce the same fruit through the Spirit. And the father and Christ enter our hearts through the Spirit and Christ is made manifest in our hearts by the power of the Spirit of God.

 

[lifeisgood]

Saying something is out of context when it is the very words of God is a pathetic attempt of someone who doesn't want to face the truth. You actually try to make the words of God suspicious and not meaning what He says. The scriptures plainly say that the Lord is the Spirit. Your examples of other words in the Bible does not support our case; it merely shows how far you would go to defend your false beliefs. It would do one good to read and believe what is written and not try to spin your own story to it. The scriptures are distorted by people such as you.

Jesus said he is the door. Do you take it literal?

Jesus said 'tomorrow will be anxious for itself' do you take that as literal, that tomorrow will be anxious?

 

[Bright Raven]

Jesus said he is the door. Do you take it literal?

Jesus said 'tomorrow will be anxious for itself' do you take that as literal, that tomorrow will be anxious?

What say you GT?

 

[God's Truth]

I don't "debate" you. I generally place you on ignore and every now and then I peek at a comment. Sort of like this time.

You did before; and, you did do what I said you did.

 

[God's Truth]

The scriptures plainly show us that Jesus said he will ask the father to send the Spirit. And that he himself was born of the Spirit, and that the Spirit descended upon him, and that he grew stronger in the Spirit from a child.

God the Father really did come as a Man. You have disproved nothing.

And that there is the father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, so there are three but the Father is in them all, and they are in him, and they are one, in love, and all of the same Spiritual heart and mind, full of the same love, word, compassion, mercy and forgiveness and we are one with them in God when we are born of God and produce the same fruit through the Spirit. And the father and Christ enter our hearts through the Spirit and Christ is made manifest in our hearts by the power of the Spirit of God.

See there, you lost focus on what I originally told you. You go against me for saying there is only one Spirit and that Jesus is the Spirit. You will not ever be able to get around the fact that you make three different divine Spirits, but the scriptures say there are three and there is one Spirit. The Father is Spirit. Jesus is Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Spirit. They are one and the exact same.

 

[Bright Raven]

God the Father really did come as a Man. You have disproved nothing.


See there, you lost focus on what I originally told you. You go against me for saying there is only one Spirit and that Jesus is the Spirit. You will not ever be able to get around the fact that you make three different divine Spirits, but the scriptures say there are three and there is one Spirit. The Father is Spirit. Jesus is Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Spirit. They are one and the exact same.

Jesus came as a man and He is not the Father

Matthew 3:17 King James Version (KJV)

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

[Rosenritter]

Jesus came as a man and He is not the Father

Matthew 3:17 King James Version (KJV)

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Are we talking about the mighty God, the everlasting Father?

 

[marhig]

God the Father really did come as a Man. You have disproved nothing.


See there, you lost focus on what I originally told you. You go against me for saying there is only one Spirit and that Jesus is the Spirit. You will not ever be able to get around the fact that you make three different divine Spirits, but the scriptures say there are three and there is one Spirit. The Father is Spirit. Jesus is Spirit. The Holy Spirit is Spirit. They are one and the exact same.

I'm not going against you personally GT, I am stating what I believe to be the truth, and I believe that Jesus isn't the father because the father is his father also. How can my Father be me? And he goes to the father for everything and he lived by his father's will, so he isn't the father. Just reading John 17 shows us that.

 

[Rosenritter]

I'm not going against you personally GT, I am stating what I believe to be the truth, and I believe that Jesus isn't the father because the father is his father also. How can my Father be me?

The same way that you can be your own boss.

 

[marhig]

The same way that you can be your own boss.

I don't pray to myself.

 

[God's Truth]

I'm not going against you personally GT, I am stating what I believe to be the truth, and I believe that Jesus isn't the father because the father is his father also. How can my Father be me? And he goes to the father for everything and he lived by his father's will, so he isn't the father. Just reading John 17 shows us that.

You want to show me the truth then tell me why you do not keep focus on my statements and questions about how you get there are more then one Spirit? How does Jesus himself live in you? Jesus is Spirit. He says he himself will live in the saved. We are only given one Spirit. The Father is Spirit and also lives in us. How many Spirits are we given? One.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus came as a man and He is not the Father

Matthew 3:17 King James Version (KJV)

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

There is only one God and He is the Father.

Jesus is God the Father come as a Man.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father,

Ephesians 4:6 and one God and Father,

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus said he is the door. Do you take it literal?

Jesus said 'tomorrow will be anxious for itself' do you take that as literal, that tomorrow will be anxious?

Of course I take what Jesus says literally. He is speaking Spiritual words about being the door. Do you think you are going to go through that door with your physical body or with your spirit?

 

[marhig]

You want to show me the truth then tell me why you do not keep focus on my statements and questions about how you get there are more then one Spirit? How does Jesus himself live in you? Jesus is Spirit. He says he himself will live in the saved. We are only given one Spirit. The Father is Spirit and also lives in us. How many Spirits are we given? One.

I have said before, he comes through the Holy Spirit. They are all one Spirit, as are we when we belong to God. But Jesus isn't the father.

1 Corinthians 6

Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them.the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

I have said before, he comes through the Holy Spirit.

I know you have said that but he does not come through the Holy Spirit he is a Spirit and he himself lives in us. He doesn't come through another Spirit.

They are all one Spirit, as are we when we belong to God. But Jesus isn't the father.

They are NOT three united Spirits! The Bible says there is one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6

Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them.the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Jesus lives in ALL the saved. YOU DON'T.

 

[marhig]

I know you have said that but he does not come through the Holy Spirit he is a Spirit and he himself lives in us. He doesn't come through another Spirit.


They are NOT three united Spirits! The Bible says there is one Spirit.


Jesus lives in ALL the saved. YOU DON'T.

Did you read the scripture that I posted? What do your think about the part that is written in bold?

1 Corinthians 6

Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh..But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.