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The Trinity


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God's Truth

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Only if you want to use it to say what it does not mean, which is gt's example.
The original perfect context here is Jesus physically showing His disciples that He was resurrected.

I can hardly believe that you would ignore what is plainly written, just to protect your belief that is proven wrong.

The Lord is the Spirit. The scriptures plainly say that.

The sword belongs to the Spirit.

...and many other scriptures proving Jesus is the Spirit, but you want to throw an embarrassing out of context call. It is like trying to tell the Catholics not to call their brothers 'father' and 'pope'. It is like trying to tell a Mormon no other gospel.
 

keypurr

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Keypur, is it possible, that the " YHWH" that the angels worship or see, are familiar with, is the son of God in heaven? The YHWH that sits on the throne of YHWH in heaven, is the son. The infinite eternal one, is even beyond the comprehension of the holy angels, so YHWH manifests Himself to the angels, in the same way that He manifests Himself to us through Jesus?

Jesus, the one who represents the Logos to us, or the comprehensible expression of the incomprehensible God, will return from above, where He is now. He will then sit upon the throne of YHWH, which is the throne of His earthly ancestor David. David's throne is identified in the Hebrew bible as YHWH's earthly throne. David is a type of the Messiah, and his throne, represents YHWH's divine authority. The Nation of Israel, represents The Kingdom Of God. So the King Of Israel and Israel, represent, YHWH with His Angels/Messengers? A nation of priests and kings. As above, so below. This principle is not just a so called "gnostic" one, but a biblical one.

You remember during the first Iraq war/desert storm, when Iraqi forces were accused of entering a hospital in Kuwait and slaughtering all of the infants in the maternity ward? I believe (and I might be wrong..But I sense..), that the fallen angels, invaded this creation, and are now trying to kill all of the infants in the maternity ward. We are the infants. The angelic larvae. We are like larvae. Tadpoles in a puddle or perhaps a more pleasant analogy, we are caterpillars, in the process of becoming butterflies. The fallen angels, tried to disrupt the process, by introducing sin into our world. Poisoning the babies in the maternity ward. Its not a perfect illustration, but I get a sense that, perhaps that is what went wrong.

YHWH then promises Eve, that her seed, will crush the head of the serpent (the fallen angels who tempted her to introduce sin into the world, resulting in the death of her offspring. She went from being the mother of the living, to the mother of the dead..). Her seed is Messiah, but we also see in the Hebrew bible, that Israel is the firstborn son of YHWH. He is the Bar-Nasha/Son of Man, of Daniel's vision, who stands before the ancient of days. The Messiah and the remnant of Israel, that keeps the times and seasons,YHWH's moadim/appointments, His Torah, are as one. This doesn't imply that non-Israelites, will perish for not being Israelites, but rather, that the Messiah's mission is two fold. To save His bride, Israel, and all of the nations with Israel (Israel being the royal family or the nation of priests and kings that will reign with Messiah, over the nations.).

I'm not a member of the religious group that calls it self "The Twelve Tribes", but nonetheless, they wrote some articles, on what they call the "Three eternal destinies of man", that I find very interesting, here it is:

http://3eternaldestinies.org/for-christians-only/

http://3eternaldestinies.org/two-trees/

I personally believe, that a great war was fought in heaven and that effected this physical creation, to the point that all of the planets, were taken off "life support". This physical world, is like an incubator, and the fallen angels, reeked havoc, killing as many of the "baby angels"/the developing angels as possible. Poisoning them with sin. Contaminating the maternity ward.

I have considered that idea that YHWH might not be the top of the line, but scripture shows YHWH is called the most high.

I have noticed that you have a busy mind, you like to see what could be. We share that way of thinking. The desert storm was just a pebble on the beach in the visions of Daniel and Revelation.

I had a very active church life, three nights a week sometimes. But I left the church to find a measure of truth that is not mentioned in church. Like you, I have no church, I use my world as a church. I live my faith in my everyday life and hope some will see God's love reflected in me and my life style.

I will read your posted sites when times allows. Thanks for sharing.


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lifeisgood

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I can hardly believe that you would ignore what is plainly written, just to protect your belief that is proven wrong.

The Lord is the Spirit. The scriptures plainly say that.

The sword belongs to the Spirit.

...and many other scriptures proving Jesus is the Spirit, but you want to throw an embarrassing out of context call. It is like trying to tell the Catholics not to call their brothers 'father' and 'pope'. It is like trying to tell a Mormon no other gospel.

gt, you have to take the whole counsel of the word of God.

You cannot simply take a verse out of its perfect original context and say that that is it.

Jesus said he is the door. Do you take it literal?

Jesus said 'tomorrow will be anxious for itself' do you take that as literal, that tomorrow will be anxious?
 

Rosenritter

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God is not name or a title.

God is a being. The Creator of all things.
Col 1:16 (KJV)
(1:16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Judge Rightly, you are certainly confused. You are getting the title confused with the the person that has the title. Try using a different word for a moment and see how this conversation would look.

Person A: "Emperor is not a name, it is a title."
Person B: "No it isn't, Emperor is not a name or a title, it is a being, the ruler of all China."

God is certainly a title, it shows relation. He uses this in Revelation 21:7, "I shall be his God, and he shall be my son." The being that you refer to as God has a name (actually many names). We do refer to God as God and that is not incorrect, but it would be like calling someone "Captain" instead of "Sam" ... not wrong, just a little less personal. Captain refers to his rank role and position, but it doesn't define and name the person.
 

marhig

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Jesus is confirming that he is from God.... as opposed to performing works by the prince of devils. With the powers that Jesus demonstrated, he was either on one side or the other. Now that said, is it wrong for God himself going to say he is on Team God?

It's like the story you hear of when the company is getting ready to impress the big boss and doesn't pay much attention to the new legal secretary head office approved for hire. The legal secretary gets to see what the operation is really like, and they might be a bit surprised when they find out that the big boss was their secretary during the last week. Yes, the secretary may be "secretary under the boss" but the fuller picture is that the secretary WAS that boss. So when asked, who does the secretary call the boss? The boss in the main office, that's who.

Remember, God is a title and position. There's nothing saying that God and Savior and Messiah cannot all fall to the same person, any more than a movie director is prevented from casting himself in his own script. Besides, HOW ELSE would God ensure that a perfect Lamb without sin was provided? Who else is perfect and without sin? Who else can forgive sin? The nature of the sacrifice is that only God has the qualifications.
Sorry. But Jesus clearly calls God his God and father, as do the apostles, and Jesus says that the father is the only true God and that he is sent by him.

And I believe him.
 

marhig

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Yes, logical steps. It is right to use logical deduction. God is the author of logic, not the author of confusion. So to clarify your answer, when God appears in a dream and speaks through that image, it is God speaking? You wouldn't tell someone who saw heard God speak in a dream that they were not seeing God simply because it was in the form of a dream, would you? (Let's assume our friend was neither deceived nor delusional.)
Our hearts have to be right before God before we have the right mind. God speaks to us though the Spirit within our hearts. We don't have to logically work out anything. He blesses those who belong to him and live by his will, through progressive revelation, through the Spirit.
 

Right Divider

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Judge Rightly, you are certainly confused. You are getting the title confused with the the person that has the title. Try using a different word for a moment and see how this conversation would look.
:rotfl:

Person A: "Emperor is not a name, it is a title."
Person B: "No it isn't, Emperor is not a name or a title, it is a being, the ruler of all China."
That is a completely invalid and illogical response. Emperor IS A TITLE.
 

Rosenritter

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Sorry. But Jesus clearly calls God his God and father, as do the apostles, and Jesus says that the father is the only true God and that he is sent by him.

And I believe him.

.... so why not believe him when Jesus also says that beside him (himself) there is no other God?
 

Right Divider

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Oops! I placed the wrong Proper Noun in one of those chained posts back there. Regardless, why are you arguing that "God" is a title rather than the person? You must have something in mind, but you didn't say what.
I did NOT say that God was a title; I said exactly the opposite.

God is a BEING. The Creator of ALL things.
 

Rosenritter

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I did NOT say that God was a title; I said exactly the opposite.

God is a BEING. The Creator of ALL things.

That's where you are confused. Those aren't opposites. And you're doing the same thing again, and it's that type of confusion that fuels Unitarian misunderstanding. I'll spell it out for clarity:

The word "God" is a title, not the person or being. The title "God" shows relational significance, status, rank. The being that we know as God has this title. "Jesus is God, Jesus is our God" is not an innate contradiction. Jesus is a name, God is a title.

Hopefully you don't need to disagree, but if you must, will you please tell me what is behind your objection? For example, "if you say such and such that would lead one to think or believe ...." etc?
 

Rosenritter

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Geeeezzzz .... I didn't say THEY are opposites.

God is NOT a title. Never will be no matter how many bad examples you use.

Are you able to respond coherently with some sort of reason for your objection? Even the scripture in your signature uses it as a title. "The living God" ... per 1 Timothy 4:10, for example. Ask "Who is the living God?" and you get the person.
 

Right Divider

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Are you able to respond coherently with some sort of reason for your objection? Even the scripture in your signature uses it as a title. "The living God" ... per 1 Timothy 4:10, for example. Ask "Who is the living God?" and you get the person.
I'm done with you, you heretical lunatic.
 

God's Truth

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gt, you have to take the whole counsel of the word of God.

You cannot simply take a verse out of its perfect original context and say that that is it.

Jesus said he is the door. Do you take it literal?

Jesus said 'tomorrow will be anxious for itself' do you take that as literal, that tomorrow will be anxious?

Saying something is out of context when it is the very words of God is a pathetic attempt of someone who doesn't want to face the truth. You actually try to make the words of God suspicious and not meaning what He says. The scriptures plainly say that the Lord is the Spirit. Your examples of other words in the Bible does not support our case; it merely shows how far you would go to defend your false beliefs. It would do one good to read and believe what is written and not try to spin your own story to it. The scriptures are distorted by people such as you.
 
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