The Trinity

The Trinity

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popsthebuilder

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God's Truth said:
There is only one Spirit. Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

That Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father.

Romans 8:14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

I have proved with scripture that there is only one divine Spirit, and that Spirit is God the Father and Jesus Christ the Lord.

Since God the Father is Spirit, and Jesus Christ is that Spirit---then they are one and the same.

Jesus is the exact same as God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
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The Spirit of GOD filled the body of Jesus wholly. Now the body of Christ is the congregation of believers.

According to your conclusion; the congregation equals god.

We must maintain an understanding of the difference between the mortal body and vessel of Christ, and the actual Spirit of Christ/ GOD.
 
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popsthebuilder

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God's Truth said:
Jesus fulfilled the whole universe.

That means that when Jesus came, he taught the present people who were alive.

Then he died and went to prison/hell, and he preached to people who went there in their spirit after dying in the flesh, those who did wrong and disobeyed. Jesus preached the gospel to them, so that they can have a chance too to be saved by the blood of Jesus.

Then he ascended to the highest place, the place of the future, so that all who would ever be born could also be saved.

Jesus filled the whole universe; past, present, and future.

Which also happens to prove our spirits do not die after the death of our physical bodies.

Ephesians 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)
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Could you explain how the verses you provided prove that we do not die and are instantly brought to heaven upon physical death as opposed to being resurrected upon the end times and judgement?

Thanks.
 
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popsthebuilder

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SabathMoon said:
1Co 8:5
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

Shot down.....
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1 Corinthians: 8. 4. As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6. But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
 
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glorydaz

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Rosenritter said:
Please show me the gospel passage (or from Revelation) where Jesus teaches us to worship a Trinity. I want to see where he introduces Trinity, defines Trinity, and tells us that this is a requirement of salvation please.

I'll tell you what I do see. I see the gospels teaching us that God came in the flesh, that this man Jesus ascended on high as the Lord of Hosts, that this Jesus is our creator and judge, our advocate and mediator, our father, brother, and friend. Trinity? It's not there. That's why it had to be invented back in Tertullian's day, because it wasn't found in scripture before.

Your proclamation that anyone that is saved thus knows and believes in a Trinity speaks sounds both ignorant and arrogant. I'm content to believe what the Bible does tell us, and build on that. If that leads me to agreement with those that claim "Trinity" or "Triune" (as it sometimes has) then so be it. A man-made model doesn't have to be 100% accurate to have useful application. That's what "Trinity" is, a man-made model. A creation of man, not without flaw, not inspired scripture, and certainly not to be worshiped.
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There are 968 pages here. Don't claim you have not been shown.

The problem is you do not believe what has been written.

I could walk you through what Jesus said, and you'd start taking about angels when the Spirit is mentioned. I could show you how Jesus came out from God and the Spirit came out from God, and you'd say the Spirit is not unique...you'd explain it all away, just as you do so many other words that are written in the Bible.

IF the Holy Spirit had done His work in you, you would recognize our Triune God. That you don't, tells me you cannot be convinced by words. Only His presence will make Him real to you.
 
God's Truth

God's Truth

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glorydaz said:
Except Jesus says, "the Father will send" the Holy Spirit "IN MY NAME". "HE" shall bring all things to your remembrance "whatsoever I have said unto you". If Jesus was the Holy Spirit, He would not have uttered these words about this "HE" which was to be sent.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.​
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Well, there are three.

The scriptures say that the Father sends the Holy Spirit.
The scriptures say that Jesus sends the Holy Spirit.

Why do you think that is so?
Because they are both the same.

Jesus says he will send the Holy Spirit even though he is the Holy Spirit because he doesn't want them to think he is coming again in the flesh to live in them.

Jesus tells them that the Holy Spirits was living with them, the Spirit of Truth. That is Jesus. Jesus was living with them and he is the Spirit of Truth.


John 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

This is at the time Jesus told them that he would send them another comforter. Jesus explains to them that it is HE.

Only a father or mother can make a child not an orphan.

Jesus shows us that he is the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus says the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of truth. Jesus is the Spirit and is the truth.

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

2 Corinthians 3:18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
 
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Rosenritter said:
Please show me the gospel passage (or from Revelation) where Jesus teaches us to worship a Trinity. I want to see where he introduces Trinity, defines Trinity, and tells us that this is a requirement of salvation please.

I'll tell you what I do see. I see the gospels teaching us that God came in the flesh, that this man Jesus ascended on high as the Lord of Hosts, that this Jesus is our creator and judge, our advocate and mediator, our father, brother, and friend. Trinity? It's not there. That's why it had to be invented back in Tertullian's day, because it wasn't found in scripture before. Proclaimed by Tertullian the heretic no less.

Your proclamation that anyone that is saved thus knows and believes in a Trinity speaks sounds both ignorant and arrogant. I'm content to believe what the Bible does tell us, and build on that. If that leads me to agreement with those that claim "Trinity" or "Triune" (as it sometimes has) then so be it. A man-made model doesn't have to be 100% accurate to have useful application. That's what "Trinity" is, a man-made model. A creation of man, not without flaw, not inspired scripture, and certainly not to be worshiped.
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Your ignorant beliefs make no God in heaven while Jesus was on earth.

There are three and the three exist at the same time; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
 
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popsthebuilder

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glorydaz said:
Thus proving your UNBELIEF in the Deity of Christ. :nono:



You might as well spend your time concocting what you think the Bible says and sharing those thoughts with Keypurr. Don't let me stop you. Perhaps you will finally be able to agree what your think God is, and it will have to include some special Spirit IMAGE of your own design.:kookoo:
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So an image of a thing is the actual thing it represents to you?

Interesting.
 
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popsthebuilder

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glorydaz said:
Except Jesus says, "the Father will send" the Holy Spirit "IN MY NAME". "HE" shall bring all things to your remembrance "whatsoever I have said unto you". If Jesus was the Holy Spirit, He would not have uttered these words about this "HE" which was to be sent.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.​
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So if It is sent in the name of Christ it isn't Christ?

I thought you said a representation or image of a thing was the fullness there of.

Does the Holy Spirit not represent Christ/ GOD?
 
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popsthebuilder

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glorydaz said:
There are 968 pages here. Don't claim you have not been shown.

The problem is you do not believe what has been written.

I could walk you through what Jesus said, and you'd start taking about angels when the Spirit is mentioned. I could show you how Jesus came out from God and the Spirit came out from God, and you'd say the Spirit is not unique...you'd explain it all away, just as you do so many other words that are written in the Bible.

IF the Holy Spirit had done His work in you, you would recognize our Triune God. That you don't, tells me you cannot be convinced by words. Only His presence will make Him real to you.
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Absolute conjecture based on the unsupported presupposition that we are saved by a man made doctrine, as opposed to believing in Jesus the Christ of GOD, and His example, self-sacrifice, teachings, and commands.
 
keypurr

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glorydaz said:
Nonsense. The truth of our Triune God was taught from the very beginning (in Genesis). I can't help it if you can't see it. In fact, I don't know as we should even speak of it to those can't see it from the moment of their salvation. When the veil is still over one's eyes, he simply won't see....as was the case with the Jews. :think:

And, you're wrong that Jesus didn't tell us. You just "explain away" what He made clear. Just as the Jews "explained away" Jesus being God in the flesh. You are really no different than the unbelieving Jews.
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There is no truth in a Triune God, your just to "prideful" to see it. A three piece God is not mentioned in any of my translations.

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glorydaz

glorydaz

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popsthebuilder said:
So an image of a thing is the actual thing it represents to you?

Interesting.
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If that "image" is said to be the Creator, Redeemer, Saviour, and Alpha and Omega - I'd have to say, 'Absolutely'.

I'm sure you would agree that an image couldn't create all things unless that "image" was more than a copy of some sort. This "image" you seem to scoff at created all things. This Image is our Creator God.

Colossians 1:14-16
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:​



When I look in the mirror, I see the image of me. The visible of what I cannot see without the mirror.... ( "the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person" ) I am able to see myself by looking in the mirror. It would be the exact image....not some made up image made of stones or carved wood.

When Jesus came to dwell among us, he was the image (what we could see - manifest in the flesh) of the invisible God. Had God not taken on human flesh, it would be like my not having a mirror so that I could see myself.



I'm not sure why this is so difficult....unless it's because you're trying to see something spiritual with the eyes of a natural man. Unfortunately they are most often "foolishness" to him. :think:

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.​
 
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glorydaz

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popsthebuilder said:
Absolute conjecture based on the unsupported presupposition that we are saved by a man made doctrine, as opposed to believing in Jesus the Christ of GOD, and His example, self-sacrifice, teachings, and commands.
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The man made doctrine you are swallowing is called a CULT. And your preacher seems to be Keypurr.

You understand the attempt by the enemy is to put our Lord and Saviour in a little box, don't you? He is more than Christ, more than the Son of God, more than an image or Spirit image, more than the Creator, more than the Redeemer, and yet He is also man. You're so worried about the doctrine of men that you don't even look to the Bible. Why is that, I wonder? :chew:
 
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