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JudgeRightly

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God's Truth said:
What is all this mess? Can we speak about the topic instead of apps?
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Says one of the people who bickered about something completely unrelated for the past 15 pages or so. I'm trying to help someone out, GT, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't interfere. If the thread owner has a problem with me helping Pops briefly, then I will gladly move our little discussion to another thread. Making posts like yours does not help with keeping the discussion on track, so don't be a hypocrite.
 
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JudgeRightly said:
Says one of the people who bickered about something completely unrelated for the past 15 pages or so. I'm trying to help someone out, GT, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't interfere. If the thread owner has a problem with me helping Pops briefly, then I will gladly move our little discussion to another thread. Making posts like yours does not help with keeping the discussion on track, so don't be a hypocrite.
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Can you help him in a private message?

You have a problem with me defending myself from false attacks?

You compare that to pops' app problems?!
 
Rosenritter

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Nihilo said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_rich_young_man

Jesus said the thing about a camel and an eye of a needle, about Justin Beiber or Donald Trump. But he gave them their marching orders, to sell everything, and give the money to the needy.

That's a business. Sell everything, give the money to your employees, who otherwise maybe wouldn't have a job, and so would be needy. But because your business is successful, the people aren't needy at the moment.

Provide reliable employment, is what the Lord told the richman. It turns out, that's great advice for a robust global economy too.
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I asked that question with regards to the necessity for us to forgive others their trespasses against us. I understood the parable to tell us that if we will not forgive our brethren, that God's own forgiveness can and will be revoked. You understood this differently, so I was asking what would happen to someone that refused to forgive their neighbor but still thought they had salvation by the tail.

But you raised a separate point as to Christ's instructions to the man to sell all he had. I don't think it was about the economy. I don't think it was about the money either, or about the poor. I think the point was to get rid of anything that man had that was weighing him down that would stop him from following Christ at that moment. If he sells his items, the rich buy them with money and won't give them back. If he gives that money to the poor, the poor immediately use it (because they have need) and now that cannot be recovered either.

Matthew 26:6-11 KJV
(6) Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper,
(7) There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.
(8) But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?
(9) For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.
(10) When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.
(11) For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.

The strategy is called "burning your ships" so that the only way out is forward. The application to us today is not about providing employment (if he had obeyed Jesus it wouldn't have created any jobs) but about cutting ourselves loose from anything that might get in our way of Christ, even if we must go to extremes.
 
Rosenritter

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keypurr said:
It was posted for information only. I agree that it is long but there is a lot of truth to consider. There is a lot to consider in it because it destroys the Trinity. Note the scriptures.

There is only one true God and his name is YHWH.
We also have one Lord, Jesus the Christ.

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John 20:28 KJV
(28) And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

One Lord. One God. One AND.
 
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Rosenritter, let's think of bad names we can call other members here, and claim we are doing it for God.

Make a thread on that, okay?
 
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SabathMoon said:
1Co 8:5
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

Shot down.....
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Genesis 1:1 KJV
(1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:10 KJV
(10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Why would you fight against what is stated so clearly? The God of Christianity created all things. If you don't like that, find your own god. If you're not Christian, I apologize for the bad assumption and misplaced argument.
 
glorydaz

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popsthebuilder said:
It isn't jumbled and is separated by whole blank sections and divided by quotations.
The quote feature doesn't work too well on this app. If it did I would use it as it would be much easier. If you don't want me to respond to you then don't speak to me I guess. I don't know what else to tell you.

As far as your other comments are concerned; you seem to be the one displaying pride and vanity by equating man to the utter fullness of GOD. I'm sure part of your doctrine makes it difficult for you to consider the fact that the image of a thing isn't that thing but a representation of it.

If you cant talk with any level of honesty or self examination then you really should not waste your time responding, or mine.

Call it vanity in your ignorance of you so choose.

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Thus proving your UNBELIEF in the Deity of Christ. :nono:



You might as well spend your time concocting what you think the Bible says and sharing those thoughts with Keypurr. Don't let me stop you. Perhaps you will finally be able to agree what your think God is, and it will have to include some special Spirit IMAGE of your own design.:kookoo:
 
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Rosenritter said:
Genesis 1:1 KJV
(1) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:10 KJV
(10) He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Why would you fight against what is stated so clearly? The God of Christianity created all things. If you don't like that, find your own god. If you're not Christian, I apologize for the bad assumption and misplaced argument.
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I don't, but I don't say there are 3 Yahwehs either. There is only one god who is father of the most important lord Messiah Yeshua.
 
glorydaz

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Rosenritter said:
Actually, you proved that I understood you very well. You were reading that passage to mean that you clearly see the nature of God, whereas other people do not.

That's not the meaning of the passage. Paul speaks of a world that has received Christ, God manifest in the flesh, clearly witnessed by them with miracles and even his own resurrection, which still prefers a lie of worship of creature worship and idolatry.

There's nothing about "God is three persons" in Romans 1. This has nothing to do about pride, it's about honesty. The word "godhead" does not mean "Trinity." If there is an issue of pride, I think it would also apply to those who Crusade in the name of a Trinity.

Jesus never told us about a Trinity, the apostles never told us about a Trinity, so how come you've decided that they were mistaken and that this is now a vital interpretation and/or doctrine? Stick with what it does tell us and let the pieces fall into place on their own.

For example, Was Jesus our LORD? That is provable, and it also affects how we relate to God and Christ. But don't get dogmatic or confused into thinking that your man-made model is equivalent to the gospel. Jesus preached the gospel. Jesus did not preach a Trinity doctrine. Someone made that up, much much later. Being outside scripture, it's not guaranteed to be a perfect explanation.
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Nonsense. The truth of our Triune God was taught from the very beginning (in Genesis). I can't help it if you can't see it. In fact, I don't know as we should even speak of it to those can't see it from the moment of their salvation. When the veil is still over one's eyes, he simply won't see....as was the case with the Jews. :think:

And, you're wrong that Jesus didn't tell us. You just "explain away" what He made clear. Just as the Jews "explained away" Jesus being God in the flesh. You are really no different than the unbelieving Jews.
 
Rosenritter

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SabathMoon said:
I don't, but I don't say there are 3 Yahwehs either. There is only one god who is father of the most important lord Messiah Yeshua.
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How many SabathMoons are there? I know of one that's on this forum, but there's probably another one sitting in a chair in front of a computer right now using the internet.
 
glorydaz

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God's Truth said:
Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
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Except Jesus says, "the Father will send" the Holy Spirit "IN MY NAME". "HE" shall bring all things to your remembrance "whatsoever I have said unto you". If Jesus was the Holy Spirit, He would not have uttered these words about this "HE" which was to be sent.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.​
 
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glorydaz said:
Nonsense. The truth of our Triune God was taught from the very beginning (in Genesis). I can't help it if you can't see it. In fact, I don't know as we should even speak of it to those can't see it from the moment of their salvation. When the veil is still over one's eyes, he simply won't see....as was the case with the Jews. :think:

And, you're wrong that Jesus didn't tell us. You just "explain away" what He made clear. Just as the Jews "explained away" Jesus being God in the flesh. You are really no different than the unbelieving Jews.
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Please show me the gospel passage (or from Revelation) where Jesus teaches us to worship a Trinity. I want to see where he introduces Trinity, defines Trinity, and tells us that this is a requirement of salvation please.

I'll tell you what I do see. I see the gospels teaching us that God came in the flesh, that this man Jesus ascended on high as the Lord of Hosts, that this Jesus is our creator and judge, our advocate and mediator, our father, brother, and friend. Trinity? It's not there. That's why it had to be invented back in Tertullian's day, because it wasn't found in scripture before. Proclaimed by Tertullian the heretic no less.

Your proclamation that anyone that is saved thus knows and believes in a Trinity speaks sounds both ignorant and arrogant. I'm content to believe what the Bible does tell us, and build on that. If that leads me to agreement with those that claim "Trinity" or "Triune" (as it sometimes has) then so be it. A man-made model doesn't have to be 100% accurate to have useful application. That's what "Trinity" is, a man-made model. A creation of man, not without flaw, not inspired scripture, and certainly not to be worshiped.
 
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