The Trinity

[popsthebuilder]

opcorn:



I meant what I said, and it's what Paul says in Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

As people grow up and older, they get too big for their britches. They start professing themselves to be wise, and put off the knowledge God created them with...."being clearly seen" and "understood" by the created.

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,​

Well, you're wrong. I was "implying" no such thing. There was NOTHING in my post that had a single thing to do with being "spoonfed" by the "hands of men". I was referring to the knowledge that GOD, Himself, had created IN US. Perhaps if you wasted less time imagining what I must be saying, and just consider what I have said, you'd be able to carry on a legitimate conversation instead of continuing to go off track.

The rest of your post is just a bunch of jibberish. You've missed the point and imagined all sorts of nonsense. You need to get to the point...try using the quote feature, for one thing. It's nearly impossible to wade through what you have written.

So the vain imaginings aren't because of the hands of man...


Whatever you say.

I'm sorry you can't wade through your own words.

I put quotations around them.

 

[keypurr]

Glorydaz, did you really read this?

Is the God of all creation a "MAN"?

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,[/U] and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

God is not and never was a MAN. His Spirit Son took the form of a man, as told to do by his God.

Here are some notes from a dear friend of mine who no longer comes to TOL. You would be wise to read them.

This paper is not going to deal with the fact that Jesus (who Trinitarians claim is God at all times) has a God himself ( Two Gods). It is not going to deal with the fact that Jesus died and the Bible says that God is immortal ( Did Jesus Really Die?). It is not going to deal with the fact that Jesus was tempted and the Bible says that God cannot be tempted ( The Temptation of Jesus). It is not going to deal with the fact that Jesus is not omniscient, yet the Bible says that God is all knowing ( Jesus Is Omniscient?). It is not a going to deal with the history of the Trinity and its development ( A Patristic Study of the Kingdom of God and the Development of the Trinity). And it is also not going to deal with explanations to all the verses that supposedly support the Trinity ( Understanding the Father Son and Holy Spirit). That is the job of the papers mentioned above.
This is not a scholarly work, it is for anyone with an I.Q. above 70. It is enough information to make you kick-start your curiosity about this Doctrine. Let us begin.
First I have to make something crystal clear. I am going to list some verses, some very easy verses. None of these verses are disputed verses in which different people have different interpretations for them. I am just going to write them out for you and let you think about them, with a comment or two from me of course. Please just read them like you would read the morning paper. JUST READ. Do not try to guess a hidden meaning in them, just read what they say. For a few of these verses we do need to understand a couple of meanings. Don’t worry, they’re easy.
YHWH – In the Old Testament this is the name of God. It has no vowels, thus it is unpronounceable. People later added vowels to come up with Yahweh so that they could pronounce it. Some English Bibles translated YHWH as Jehovah, but most English Bibles instead of writing YHWH, just put "the LORD." Notice that "LORD" is in capital letters when it refers to YHWH. This only applies to the Old Testament.
Christ – This is not Jesus’ last name. It is his title. Christ is English for Messiah. Messiah means anointed. Jesus Christ means Jesus the anointed. Anointed by what you may ask? Anointed by the Spirit of God.
Lord (kyrios) – Most people when they hear this title think immediately of God Almighty. As we covered earlier, God’s name is YHWH. This should not be confused with the title kyrios (Lord), which was used for Jesus throughout his whole ministry. Trinitarians will argue that this title of Jesus’ confirms his divinity, but even before his resurrection people addressed him as Lord. Why? For the same reason that many other people in the Bible and in his day were addressed as Lord. It was a title of authority and respect. Moses is referred to as lord in Numbers 32:27:
"The Gadites and Reubenites answered Moses, Your servants will do as you command, my lord."
1 Samuel 1:26 – "Hannah, his mother, approached Eli and said: Pardon, my lord! As you live, my lord, I am the woman who stood near you here."
1 Samuel 24:9 –"David stepped out of the cave, calling to Saul, My lord and my king."
As Scripture proves, Moses, Eli, and Saul are referred to as lord, but this does not mean that they are God. It is a title of authority and respect. There are many more verses like these. The Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible volume 3 pg. 960 states:
Lord - its meaning signified nothing more than "sir," a title of respect, or to "master,"
There is an excellent example in John 4:11: Here the Samaritan woman has just met Jesus, he has not yet told her that he is the Messiah. They have just met, yet she addresses him as kyrios, which in the New American Bible is translated as "sir."
"The woman said to him, Sir (kyrios), you do not have a bucket and the cistern is deep."
The word in this passage is kyrios. It is applied to Jesus, and it is used as a term of respect, as "sir."
The Apostles used this title as a means of respect and also as "master." This is why Jesus is called Lord in the New Testament. He is our King, our master, our Lord. Like the Lord of a castle. He is the Lord of the kingdom of God.
Trinitarian definition of God – When Trinitarians say "God," they mean the combination of all three persons, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. If they want to refer to one specific member of the Trinity they will use the corresponding name such as "the Son" etc.
That’s it for the definitions, whew! I hope that wasn’t too deep. Okay, one set up verse. Trinitarians will agree that there is only one God who is called Yahweh. The problem is that they include Jesus as a member of Yahweh. But for now, we both agree that the only God is Yahweh.
Isaiah 45:5 – "I am the LORD (YHWH) and there is no other, there is no God besides me."
This is pretty simple. YHWH is the ONLY God. So far, so good.
Exodus 3:15 – "Thus shall you say to the Israelites: The LORD (YHWH), the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob, has sent me to you."
Okay, the God of your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the LORD (YHWH).
The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob = YHWH.
"Yet for us there is one God, the Father" (Corinthians 8:6).
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:3).Does this verse imply that Jesus is the God of Abraham etc.? Of course not! Just read it. The God of Abraham glorified who? Himself? No! He glorified his servant Jesus. This is not difficult. Jesus is obviously not the God of Abraham etc. He is the God of Abraham’s SERVANT. Who is the God of Abraham? YHWH. And YHWH is who? The ONLY God. So Jesus is not God? Of course not. He is God’s anointed.
Acts 10:38 – "How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power. He went about doing good and healing all oppressed by the devil, for God was with him."
Who anointed Jesus? It doesn’t say the Father anointed Jesus, it says GOD. You can obviously see that Jesus is not the God that anointed him. If I said, "The king anointed Bob," would you think that it meant that Bob is the king? Of course not. Jesus is the servant whom God anointed to do his will. That is the whole purpose of anointing someone, to give them the wisdom and power that they will need in order to serve God. Does it make sense to you that God would anoint God with God? Let’s look at a Messianic prophecy in the Old Testament.
Isaiah 61:1 – "The spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the LORD (YHWH) has anointed me."
By reading this verse it is plainly clear that the person who is being anointed is not YHWH. YHWH is anointing this individual. Now watch how Jesus uses this verse to refer to himself. Jesus uses this verse to say that he is the one that the Scripture spoke about. That he is the one whom YHWH has anointed. Who is YHWH by the way? That’s right, the ONLY God.
Luke 4:18-21 – "He (Jesus) unrolled the scroll and found the passage where it was written: ‘The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me,’…He (Jesus) said to them, ‘Today this Scripture passage is fulfilled in your hearing."
Okay now, don’t panic, this is simple. Look at Isaiah 61:1, YHWH anoints someone other than YHWH. Jesus in Luke claims that he is that person whom YHWH has anointed. Next!
1 Cor. 8:6 – "Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord (This Lord is not a translation of YHWH, it is kyrios i.e. master, king etc.) Jesus Christ."
It doesn’t get any easier than this. Who is the one God? The FATHER! That’s it, period! The Father is the only one who is considered God. Jesus is our Lord (master, king). You will always see that the only one who is referred to as God is the Father. From the passage above, do you honestly read that and come away with the fact that Jesus is the one God? It is obvious that the one Lord is not the one God. Only the Father is God. It never says, "Peace from God the Father and God the Son." Why not? Didn’t the Apostles know that the Son is God? Not even close! Now get comfortable, and look at the following:
1 Cor. 1:3 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Cor. 1:2 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Philippians 1:2 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thessalonians 1:1 – "To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Thessalonians 3:13 – "To be blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus."
2 Thessalonians 1:2 – "Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
2 Thessalonians 2:16 – "May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who has loved us."
Philippians 4:20 – To our God and Father, glory for ever and ever. Amen."
Collosians 1:2 – "Peace from God our Father."
Ephesians 4:6 – "One God and Father of all."
James1:1 – "James, a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ."
1 Timothy 1:2 – "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
2 Timothy 1:2 – "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
Titus 1:4 – "Peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our savior."
Philemon vv. 3 – "Peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."
Galatians 1:3 "Peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ."

 

[glorydaz]

So the vain imaginings aren't because of the hands of man...


Whatever you say.

No, it's what Paul says, "Became vain in their imaginations".

Just as Keypurr has done, and just as you are in the process of doing. Before long, you'll be as bad as Keypurr claiming Jesus and Christ are not the same person, and you'll start making up the meaning of the word "image" as Keypurr and Rosey have done.

Each of you does this because of your own spiritual pride. That is how one becomes vain in his imaginations. That is why the knowledge of God that we were created with is turned on it's head into an "image" of God that is unrecognizable to the true believers.

I'm sorry you can't wade through your own words.

I put quotations around them.

We have the quote function for a reason. It keeps all the words from being jumbled together. It isn't my words I have to wade through, it's yours that can't be separated from mine as easily as it could be if you had any consideration for the reader.

Use the quote function or don't quote me at all. :nono:

 

[Rosenritter]

Such a wild imagination you people have. YOU UNDERSTAND NOTHING.

All people have been created to know God, but it takes years for the proud among us to put off that which has been shown them. The little children know what you don't.

We see this when you folks do not glorify our Saviour as God, when you do not glorify the Holy Spirit as God....vain in your IMAGINATIONS, and your foolish heart is darkened.

Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.​

Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,​

Look at you people...refusing to recognize the Godhead, refusing to admit that Jesus is God, making all these statements showing you do not understand how God is triune. You dispute the very verses that believers recognize as Father, Son, and Spirit being the ONE GOD, with one name.

Oh, you PEOPLE say...."three people" "how can three people fit into one man". If that isn't making God into an image of man, I don't know what is.

Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,​

Actually, you proved that I understood you very well. You were reading that passage to mean that you clearly see the nature of God, whereas other people do not.

That's not the meaning of the passage. Paul speaks of a world that has received Christ, God manifest in the flesh, clearly witnessed by them with miracles and even his own resurrection, which still prefers a lie of worship of creature worship and idolatry.

There's nothing about "God is three persons" in Romans 1. This has nothing to do about pride, it's about honesty. The word "godhead" does not mean "Trinity." If there is an issue of pride, I think it would also apply to those who Crusade in the name of a Trinity.

Jesus never told us about a Trinity, the apostles never told us about a Trinity, so how come you've decided that they were mistaken and that this is now a vital interpretation and/or doctrine? Stick with what it does tell us and let the pieces fall into place on their own.

For example, Was Jesus our LORD? That is provable, and it also affects how we relate to God and Christ. But don't get dogmatic or confused into thinking that your man-made model is equivalent to the gospel. Jesus preached the gospel. Jesus did not preach a Trinity doctrine. Someone made that up, much much later. Being outside scripture, it's not guaranteed to be a perfect explanation.

 

[Rosenritter]

No, it's what Paul says, "Became vain in their imaginations".

Just as Keypurr has done, and just as you are in the process of doing. Before long, you'll be as bad as Keypurr claiming Jesus and Christ are not the same person, and you'll start making up the meaning of the word "image" as Keypurr and Rosey have done.

Each of you does this because of your own spiritual pride. That is how one becomes vain in his imaginations. That is why the knowledge of God that we were created with is turned on it's head into an "image" of God that is unrecognizable to the true believers.



We have the quote function for a reason. It keeps all the words from being jumbled together. It isn't my words I have to wade through, it's yours that can't be separated from mine as easily as it could be if you had any consideration for the reader.

Use the quote function or don't quote me at all. :nono:

1. No one had to "make up" the meaning of the word image. It is one of the invisible things clearly seen from the creation of the world. LifeisGood was able to agree on the meaning as well, so if you're going to be criticizing people, make sure you blame him as well.

2. Glory, sympathies on the quote tags.

Pops, if I may make a related request, if you need to post a lengthy chain of scripture to make a point, a little formatting (occasional white space or boldfaced phrases) or at least a one line comment explaining why you posted it would help to keep it from being a "faceless wall of text." I've had that thought before and didn't say anything, but left not knowing what you meant to convey by the post.

 

[Rosenritter]

This paper is not going to deal with the fact that Jesus (who Trinitarians claim is God at all times) has a God himself ( Two Gods). It is not going to deal with the fact that Jesus died and the Bible says that God is immortal ( Did Jesus Really Die?). It is not going to deal with the fact that Jesus was tempted and the Bible says that God cannot be tempted ( The Temptation of Jesus).

Keypurr, this forum isn't well suited for posting papers (in length or style). There needs to be opportunity to answer and exchange, which something of that length or style doesn't allow. You seemed to get started off on the wrong foot above (which is why I only quoted the first couple sentences.)

This paper is not going to deal with the fact that Jesus (who Trinitarians claim is God at all times) has a God himself ( Two Gods).

If Jesus is God, then he is also his own God, and while standing as a man on earth speaking to others who think within that framework, it is not incorrect for him to refer to God as his God. He is not saying that he is anything less than God, but he is clarifying to whom he ascends. Let's not forget the fact that this gospel defines Jesus as God in its very first chapter.

It is not going to deal with the fact that Jesus died and the Bible says that God is immortal ( Did Jesus Really Die?).

Being immortal doesn't mean that you can't die if you want to. In fact it means you can die as many times as you like and it can't keep a hold on you. Jesus said that he had life in himself just as the Father had life in himself, and Acts 2:24 even says that it was not possible that Jesus could be held by death. Yet another familiar passage tells us that Christ only hath immortality (1 Timothy 6:16).

It is not going to deal with the fact that Jesus was tempted and the Bible says that God cannot be tempted ( The Temptation of Jesus).

I'm sure we've discussed this word game before with others. The Bible itself says that God was tempted (as ye tempted him in Massah) and if your belief is based on word tricks then it only goes as far as that. When items like that are given as your foundation I stop reading.

That's why posting a paper of yours isn't good for discussion. You're not posting to persuade yourself, you need to be able to answer questions as people put them to you.

 

[Nihilo]

This hypothetical me may believe that He is risen, and has participated in all the outward sacraments of the Roman Church. This hypothetical me, however, remains hardened in heart towards my neighbor, and in his heart will not forgive offenses, whether real or imagined, although he does claim that his sins are forgiven through Christ's blood and obedience.

Matthew 6:12-14 KJV
(12) And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
(13) And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
(14) For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Matthew 18:32-35 KJV
(32) Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
(33) Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
(34) And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
(35) So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

1 John 4:20-21 KJV
(20) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
(21) And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Please fill in the gaps as you understand them. I understand scripture differently at this point in our discussion, and the scripture that comes to mind tells me that forgiveness of sins is only applicable to those that are also willing to forgive others, and that even divine forgiveness, once granted, has the potential to be revoked.

What you're doing is objectively immoral. And, you know that it's objectively immoral. And yet, you do it, continually. Willfully.

Right? Willfully, you do immoral things? Or do you just know that you do things that are objectively immoral? People who continually do the same sort of things that are immoral, obviously do not know what they're doing, so they don't, in fact, know what they're doing, or know that what they're doing is immoral, because they continue to do the immoral things. That's an objective fact. Immoral things are bad for us, so we sow seeds of death whenever we do immoral things, and we do immoral things, because we are all sinners, sinners means, those who do immoral things, I'm one of them, and the Apostle said that he was the chief of us sinners.

We will reap death unless we are spared from harvesting what our seeds might yield, when we sin. "And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us." Part of the reason my neighbor deserves punishment for what they've done to me, is because I haven't forgiven those who trespass against me. So the prayer reminds me how this works.

 

[Nihilo]

OK... let's say I am a rich and powerful person that doesn't care what others think. Like a medieval king, a drug lord, or Justin Beiber. If I am in a position that I cannot be harmed by the consequences of my actions, and I am already granted forgiveness for all things by God in heaven, is there any incentive for me to forgive others their trespasses against me? Why should I grant indulgences to anyone in such a case?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_rich_young_man

Jesus said the thing about a camel and an eye of a needle, about Justin Beiber or Donald Trump. But he gave them their marching orders, to sell everything, and give the money to the needy.

That's a business. Sell everything, give the money to your employees, who otherwise maybe wouldn't have a job, and so would be needy. But because your business is successful, the people aren't needy at the moment.

Provide reliable employment, is what the Lord told the richman. It turns out, that's great advice for a robust global economy too.

 

[MichaelCadry]

You have proven to be a false prophet so that means you are not 'thee' prophet.

Just accept it and grow in the Lord.

Dear GT,

Ha! I've said all that I am going to say. I am done.

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

I am talking about when you prophesied about doom in August that would affect everyone.

I then asked you if you ever gave a prediction from God before and it not happen. You said you did. You then went on a slanderous rant about me.

A prophet of God does not make mistakes about prophecies. That is what the Bible says.

Not saying I don't think you are saved, just that I wouldn't keep making prophecies that are not in the Bible.

Dear GT,

I'm outta here.

Yours Truly,

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

Wouldn't those elect need to be saved from something though? Such as certain doom? I'm a little unclear on the specifics of this prophecy, There needs to be a sure and certain way of judging it fulfilled (or not) or it's not a prophecy. And if it were from God it would also need to have some purpose. True Christians don't need to be told that the Lord is coming, we already know this, and we know that we should be ready always. This means prepared in our heart and spirit, not short-selling stocks or mortgaging our homes.

Dear Rosenritter,

I can only tell you that something will happen soon. If you don't believe me, fine.

God Bless Your Spirit,

Michael

 

[MichaelCadry]

There is always something happening in the world. North Korean dictators threatening their neighbors near and far, violence in the middle east, terror attacks real and staged, natural disaster,outbreaks of disease. You might say these are the "four horsemen" but these things have been with us for some time, and repetition of these things in these scales are not indications that the Apocalypse or Armageddon has now begun.

Neither are predictions that Jesus is about to reappear. Those have been going on for a long long time. Jesus tells us that we will not know the day nor the hour, and in the spirit of that passage I don't think it means that we're going to be told the week or the month or the year instead. Besides, if you consider the heart of God, do you really think he wants people who only will "put their hearts right" at the last moment if they think they are being watched? There's no point for giving a date.

Revelation 22:10-12 KJV
(10) And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
(11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
(12) And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

The reason I am pressing you to list the exact specifics is not for my sake, but for yours. My prediction is that your prediction will not come to pass. I base my prediction on scripture, twofold: first, we are not to know the day nor the hour; and second, when a prophet has given failed prophecies before, we are not to heed them further.

While I reserve there is the theoretical possibility that a set of millions of people all staggering their guesses to cover all bases could attempt to "out-wit" God thinking that it will force God to "set back the date" to avoid coinciding with their prediction, the imagery is so absurd that I discount it entirely. If necessary, God would strike such an effort as he did the Tower of Babel with confusion or the father of the Baptist with silence.

So I would like specifics please, so that we will have a true inescapable method after the fact of judging whether you received a true prophecy. Should the prophecy fail (again) then it is to assist you in recovery and repentance, not for any purpose of cruelty. But should it seem to come to pass, I may have to reconsider my judgment.

Dear Rosenritter,

I can't tell you much right now.

My Very Best To You & Yours,

Michael

 

[popsthebuilder]

No, it's what Paul says, "Became vain in their imaginations".

Just as Keypurr has done, and just as you are in the process of doing. Before long, you'll be as bad as Keypurr claiming Jesus and Christ are not the same person, and you'll start making up the meaning of the word "image" as Keypurr and Rosey have done.

Each of you does this because of your own spiritual pride. That is how one becomes vain in his imaginations. That is why the knowledge of God that we were created with is turned on it's head into an "image" of God that is unrecognizable to the true believers.



We have the quote function for a reason. It keeps all the words from being jumbled together. It isn't my words I have to wade through, it's yours that can't be separated from mine as easily as it could be if you had any consideration for the reader.

Use the quote function or don't quote me at all. :nono:

It isn't jumbled and is separated by whole blank sections and divided by quotations.
The quote feature doesn't work too well on this app. If it did I would use it as it would be much easier. If you don't want me to respond to you then don't speak to me I guess. I don't know what else to tell you.

As far as your other comments are concerned; you seem to be the one displaying pride and vanity by equating man to the utter fullness of GOD. I'm sure part of your doctrine makes it difficult for you to consider the fact that the image of a thing isn't that thing but a representation of it.

If you cant talk with any level of honesty or self examination then you really should not waste your time responding, or mine.

Call it vanity in your ignorance of you so choose.

peace

 

[keypurr]

Keypurr, this forum isn't well suited for posting papers (in length or style). There needs to be opportunity to answer and exchange, which something of that length or style doesn't allow. You seemed to get started off on the wrong foot above (which is why I only quoted the first couple sentences.)



If Jesus is God, then he is also his own God, and while standing as a man on earth speaking to others who think within that framework, it is not incorrect for him to refer to God as his God. He is not saying that he is anything less than God, but he is clarifying to whom he ascends. Let's not forget the fact that this gospel defines Jesus as God in its very first chapter.



Being immortal doesn't mean that you can't die if you want to. In fact it means you can die as many times as you like and it can't keep a hold on you. Jesus said that he had life in himself just as the Father had life in himself, and Acts 2:24 even says that it was not possible that Jesus could be held by death. Yet another familiar passage tells us that Christ only hath immortality (1 Timothy 6:16).



I'm sure we've discussed this word game before with others. The Bible itself says that God was tempted (as ye tempted him in Massah) and if your belief is based on word tricks then it only goes as far as that. When items like that are given as your foundation I stop reading.

That's why posting a paper of yours isn't good for discussion. You're not posting to persuade yourself, you need to be able to answer questions as people put them to you.

It was posted for information only. I agree that it is long but there is a lot of truth to consider. There is a lot to consider in it because it destroys the Trinity. Note the scriptures.

There is only one true God and his name is YHWH.
We also have one Lord, Jesus the Christ.




Sent from my iPad using TOL

 

[keypurr]

No, it's what Paul says, "Became vain in their imaginations".

Just as Keypurr has done, and just as you are in the process of doing. Before long, you'll be as bad as Keypurr claiming Jesus and Christ are not the same person, and you'll start making up the meaning of the word "image" as Keypurr and Rosey have done.

Each of you does this because of your own spiritual pride. That is how one becomes vain in his imaginations. That is why the knowledge of God that we were created with is turned on it's head into an "image" of God that is unrecognizable to the true believers.



We have the quote function for a reason. It keeps all the words from being jumbled together. It isn't my words I have to wade through, it's yours that can't be separated from mine as easily as it could be if you had any consideration for the reader.

Use the quote function or don't quote me at all. :nono:

Excuses is all you have friend, your not open to truth.

Read my post and see the scriptures as they are, not as you have been led to believe.


Sent from my iPad using TOL

 

[JudgeRightly]

It isn't jumbled and is separated by whole blank sections and divided by quotations.
The quote feature doesn't work too well on this app. If it did I would use it as it would be much easier. If you don't want me to respond to you then don't speak to me I guess. I don't know what else to tell you.

Pops, use "[ QUOTE ]" and "[ /QUOTE ]" (without the spaces) to use the QUOTE function.

I'm using the TOL app and if ever my formatting is bad, it's usually because I made a mistake when putting the formatting into the text.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Pops, use "[ QUOTE ]" and "[ /QUOTE ]" (without the spaces) to use the QUOTE function.

I'm using the TOL app and if ever my formatting is bad, it's usually because I made a mistake when putting the formatting into the text.

I don't see that, but didn't mean to insinuate that it wasn't user error on my part.

peace

 

[God's Truth]

There is only one Spirit. Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;

Ephesians 2:18
For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

That Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father.

Romans 8:14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

I have proved with scripture that there is only one divine Spirit, and that Spirit is God the Father and Jesus Christ the Lord.

Since God the Father is Spirit, and Jesus Christ is that Spirit---then they are one and the same.

Jesus is the exact same as God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus fulfilled the whole universe.

That means that when Jesus came, he taught the present people who were alive.

Then he died and went to prison/hell, and he preached to people who went there in their spirit after dying in the flesh, those who did wrong and disobeyed. Jesus preached the gospel to them, so that they can have a chance too to be saved by the blood of Jesus.

Then he ascended to the highest place, the place of the future, so that all who would ever be born could also be saved.

Jesus filled the whole universe; past, present, and future.

Which also happens to prove our spirits do not die after the death of our physical bodies.

Ephesians 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)

 

[JudgeRightly]

I don't see that, but didn't mean to insinuate that it wasn't user error on my part.

peace

What app are you using?