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Your question proves it.
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Your question proves it.
Rosenritter
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Wouldn't those elect need to be saved from something though? Such as certain doom? I'm a little unclear on the specifics of this prophecy, There needs to be a sure and certain way of judging it fulfilled (or not) or it's not a prophecy. And if it were from God it would also need to have some purpose. True Christians don't need to be told that the Lord is coming, we already know this, and we know that we should be ready always. This means prepared in our heart and spirit, not short-selling stocks or mortgaging our homes.
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The only place I have seen the phrase "members of the Godhead" used is in non-biblical writings. The seeming assumption is that the word "Godhead" somehow is a synonym for "Trinity" but as we've already seen the three places it's used, that's not a sound assumption.
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There is always something happening in the world. North Korean dictators threatening their neighbors near and far, violence in the middle east, terror attacks real and staged, natural disaster,outbreaks of disease. You might say these are the "four horsemen" but these things have been with us for some time, and repetition of these things in these scales are not indications that the Apocalypse or Armageddon has now begun.
Neither are predictions that Jesus is about to reappear. Those have been going on for a long long time. Jesus tells us that we will not know the day nor the hour, and in the spirit of that passage I don't think it means that we're going to be told the week or the month or the year instead. Besides, if you consider the heart of God, do you really think he wants people who only will "put their hearts right" at the last moment if they think they are being watched? There's no point for giving a date.
Revelation 22:10-12 KJV
(10) And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
(11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
(12) And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
The reason I am pressing you to list the exact specifics is not for my sake, but for yours. My prediction is that your prediction will not come to pass. I base my prediction on scripture, twofold: first, we are not to know the day nor the hour; and second, when a prophet has given failed prophecies before, we are not to heed them further.
While I reserve there is the theoretical possibility that a set of millions of people all staggering their guesses to cover all bases could attempt to "out-wit" God thinking that it will force God to "set back the date" to avoid coinciding with their prediction, the imagery is so absurd that I discount it entirely. If necessary, God would strike such an effort as he did the Tower of Babel with confusion or the father of the Baptist with silence.
So I would like specifics please, so that we will have a true inescapable method after the fact of judging whether you received a true prophecy. Should the prophecy fail (again) then it is to assist you in recovery and repentance, not for any purpose of cruelty. But should it seem to come to pass, I may have to reconsider my judgment.
Rosenritter
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Why do you continue with repeated lies? What is this supposed to gain you?
http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5070246
Also see here and here:
Spoiler
It is impossible to have a doctrinal conversation with someone who is a compulsive liar. It might be one thing to make a false prediction, it's another to repeatedly lie when the evidence is plain for all to see. It is even more absurd when that very person blasphemously calls themselves "God's Truth." Were you of the spirit of God, you would know what to do here. Apparently you don't, and you certainly wouldn't listen if I told you. Prove me wrong on this.
If you want to talk to me, please use a private message. You've ignored mine so far.
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Christians are always to be ready. However, Michael is setting dates and has set a date before and nothing happened.
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Look at that, you went against me for telling MC that he has failed before on his predictions and that it makes him a false prophet, but then you come on and post things that prove you are a hypocrite.
That is like evil I have not seen on TOL before.
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No one cares about your liar claims. Talk about the thread title. As for the my screen name, it drives Satan crazy, and it appears it drives you crazy too.
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In case anyone is not sure what a Rosenritter is, it is an anime character, a galactic hero.
A galactic hero is not real. A galactic hero is going against me for my chosen screen name. lol
A galactic hero is not real. A galactic hero is going against me for my chosen screen name. lol
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Anyone want to talk about the three?
I would love to talk about that.
I would love to talk about that.
Rosenritter
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glorydaz
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| Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post "Well, Paul says the eternal Godhead is clearly seen and understood by the created. Romans 1:20 " Okay I'm thinking and that doesn't jive with none ever seeing GOD as Jesus proclaims. But I must be missing something, so please; while my thinking cap is on; please do explain why that passage means whatever you are insinuating rather than the fact that the sons of GOD are the sole receptacles of true knowledge of GOD. |
Just try reading the text...exactly as it is written. I'm not "insinuating" it says anything other that what it clearly says. Man is without excuse for he was created with the knowledge of God IN HIM. Whether you believe what is written by Paul, or not, I'm simply telling you what he DID SAY.
Romans 1:19-20 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rosenritter
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I think I understand what Glory is saying. You, Pops, being a man, already clearly see and understand the Godhead. That's what it said, right?
Romans 1:20 KJV
(20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Unless what Glory meant was that she clearly understands the Godhead but you do not. That could be it also.
glorydaz
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Nope, it doesn't shame me at all. I know the difference between a brother and sister in Christ, and you who prove you are false brethren by the way you deny what is plainly written while coming up with your own nonsensical theories.
popsthebuilder
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I agree with that completely; why would you assume otherwise?
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popsthebuilder
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I assure you I have come up with nothing. To what profit would it be for me to make up doctrine?
I would understand if I was running around telling people that those perfected by Christ sin in the flesh, as such is clearly against all scripture. But I don't.
So..... What do you think I made up or imagined?
Let's go over them together.
glorydaz
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Such a wild imagination you people have. YOU UNDERSTAND NOTHING.
All people have been created to know God, but it takes years for the proud among us to put off that which has been shown them. The little children know what you don't.
We see this when you folks do not glorify our Saviour as God, when you do not glorify the Holy Spirit as God....vain in your IMAGINATIONS, and your foolish heart is darkened.
Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Look at you people...refusing to recognize the Godhead, refusing to admit that Jesus is God, making all these statements showing you do not understand how God is triune. You dispute the very verses that believers recognize as Father, Son, and Spirit being the ONE GOD, with one name.
Oh, you PEOPLE say...."three people" "how can three people fit into one man". If that isn't making God into an image of man, I don't know what is.
Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,
popsthebuilder
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For you to say"YOU UNDERSTAND NOTHING." is vanity and pride based on assumption and presupposition spoon fed to you by the hands of men with their own secret proud motives.
Let's go over your choice of words shall we? You said; "All people have been created to know God, but it takes years for
( the proud among us to put off that which has been shown them) "
I agree with that statement but it seems rather unfinished. I'm pretty sure you were implying that it was shown them by the hands of man. So I ask; who did your beliefs come from? What was the actual initial source that was readily and obviously responsible for your specific beliefs? It's rhetorical really as I'm quite sure your beliefs stemmed from your upbringing. I won't be delving into that direction any further as to not offend you, bit would as that you consider your blanket statements and words and judgements; and if you don't understand those things to be weighed against you, then perhaps you should consider it.
"We see this when you folks do not glorify our Saviour as God,"
Who denies that Christ is the Savior?
"when you do not glorify the Holy Spirit as God"
Who says the Spirit of GOD isn't the Spirit of GOD, and the fullness there of? Is it not the Trinidadian?
"....vain in your IMAGINATIONS, and your foolish heart is darkened"
The vain imagining is that mortal man (image of GOD) is the utter fullness of GOD rather than the chosen, formed, blessed vessel/ temple of the Spirit of GOD which is the fullness of GOD. Who is guilty of that I won't say, because I am no righteous judge.
Yet, moreover; if ones heart is darkened then they promote depredation of the spirit as if righteousness, quite saddening and too, telling.
"INDENT]Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,[/INDENT] "
Who among us claims to be wise?
Ask yourself, really. (I am not saying you do, or are at this time).
"Look at you people...refusing to recognize the Godhead, refusing to admit that Jesus is God, making all these statements showing you do not understand how God is triune. You dispute the very verses that believers recognize as Father, Son, and Spirit being the ONE GOD, with one name."
The needless division of the congregation that you willingly propagate is against what is true. I understand the Trinity doctrine wholly, yet do not deam it necessary for salvation, and I do not equate the son to the fullness of GOD, which any real trinitarian will tell you is accurate because he is only one third. So your argument falls on itself before it is even started. Not that Christ isn't the utter fullness of GOD; just that man is not. You claiming someone doesn't understand a thing that they most likely understand more than you is further proof of your own pride.
I'm pretty sure no one here is disputing the verses; just the meanings you ascribe to them, quite carelessly I might add.
"Oh, you PEOPLE say...."three people" "how can three people fit into one man".
Who said that? Who says we must call GOD he? Who limits GOD to three separate PERSONS in order to be full? Who then claims that fullness is actually too really just one person?
"If that isn't making God into an image of man, I don't know what is."
Agreed
"INDENT]Romans 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,[/INDENT]"
I hope you read without bias and with comprehension....within context.
Believe it or not;
peace
glorydaz
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opcorn: I meant what I said, and it's what Paul says in Romans 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
As people grow up and older, they get too big for their britches. They start professing themselves to be wise, and put off the knowledge God created them with...."being clearly seen" and "understood" by the created.
Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Well, you're wrong. I was "implying" no such thing. There was NOTHING in my post that had a single thing to do with being "spoonfed" by the "hands of men". I was referring to the knowledge that GOD, Himself, had created IN US. Perhaps if you wasted less time imagining what I must be saying, and just consider what I have said, you'd be able to carry on a legitimate conversation instead of continuing to go off track.
The rest of your post is just a bunch of jibberish. You've missed the point and imagined all sorts of nonsense. You need to get to the point...try using the quote feature, for one thing. It's nearly impossible to wade through what you have written.