The Trinity

[Rosenritter]

Barnabas said God spoke directly to the son.

Why would I believe any different?

Oh, I see what you meant now. Thanks.

"There is yet this also, my brethren; if the Lord endured to suffer for our souls, though He was Lord of the whole world, unto whom God said from the foundation of the world, Let us make man after our image and likeness, how then did He endure to suffer at the hand of men?"

As to why I might believe differently, I could point out that the Epistle of Barnabas is outside the recognized canon and therefore may not represent inspired scripture. I do consider Genesis inspired scripture, but not necessarily apocryphal writings.

 

[Rosenritter]

I believe I was led to them by the Lord.

While askin' for a fish why would he give me a serpent?

So if you believe you were led to them by the Lord, and when I was reviewing them I also asked for understanding to our same Lord, that puts this at sort of an impasse in that regard, as we both appealed to the same authority and believe that we received different answers. I cannot remember if I looked at this writing specifically, but I have since placed faith in the inspiration of our canon.

 

[God's Truth]

He most likely looked something like this.

I guess the truth is not really that important, right?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Oh, I see what you meant now. Thanks.

"There is yet this also, my brethren; if the Lord endured to suffer for our souls, though He was Lord of the whole world, unto whom God said from the foundation of the world, Let us make man after our image and likeness, how then did He endure to suffer at the hand of men?"

As to why I might believe differently, I could point out that the Epistle of Barnabas is outside the recognized canon and therefore may not represent inspired scripture. I do consider Genesis inspired scripture, but not necessarily apocryphal writings.

I found those writings through prayer in an old library book before internet.

Different walk I reckon.

 

[marhig]

The Holy Spirit is not a thing. My faith is in our Great God and Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. My confidence is that He WILL PERFORM that which He began the moment I was saved. We are God's workmanship plain and simple.

Philippians 1:6
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:​

So you never sin then? Because the Holy Spirit stops you from every sinning?

 

[marhig]

For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace. - Romans 6:14 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans6:14&version=NKJV

As I've said to gd, I'll ask you also, so you never sin because you are under grace and the Holy spirit stops you every time?

I've even heard people say that every sin past present and future is covered, what about murder etc. Are those who kill and rape etc still saved because they profess to know God and say that they believe? What about the ministers who abuse children?

How does this once saved always saved work, and please don't say that they were never saved in the first place as that's a cop out. They are either once saved always saved when they believed, or not.

Which sins are always going to be forgiven, once we are born of God, where do we draw the line? How far into the depths of hell can we go living by the will of Satan and still profess to know God and be saved?

 

[marhig]

People say they are saved when they aren't, too.

So then, how do you now who is and who isn't?

 

[marhig]

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We are indeed dead to sin...free from the draw of sin....not tempted to sin more as you surmise.

Blimey so you're not even tempted? Even Jesus was tempted, as also are those who are born of God, we will go through fiery trials being tempted and tried, and we are strengthened as we overcome by the power of the Spirit.

1 Peter 4 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 1 Peter. But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

James 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

1 Peter 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

 

[marhig]

In the parable of the wedding feast, who gives the invitations, and who sustains the invitations? What happened to the ones who were called in but would not come? Did he make those to come to the feast who would not?

Do you remember what happened to the guest who did come, but would not put on the wedding garments?



In the parable of the prodigal son, what would have happened to the son who had already claimed his inheritance, if he had not returned? The parable says that he would have died from hunger. The joy of the son returning itself demonstrates that there was very real danger and consequence had he not returned.

Great post, and this goes to show that once saved always saved is a false teaching.

 

[marhig]

I believe it is wrong. No one knows what Jesus looks like.

Yes, and what he looked like isn't important, it's his message that is.

He was probably a whole lot different to what he is portrayed as in the films, he didn't have it easy and I'm sure he wasn't all blonde haired and blue eyed with a bright red heart on his chest! He will have looked like everyone else at that time, he even had to be kissed on the cheek by judas to be pointed out. So he looked like every other ordinary man, although he wouldn't have glorified his flesh in any way whatsoever, i believe he would just wear the basic clothes of the time and he won't have had much either because he taught us to not want for too much and to be content with what we have and he would have practiced what he preached. But his heart was completely different to anyone else!

 

[marhig]

You popsthebuilder is the only one who CONCLUDES that.

The FINISHED WORK for salvation is Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work at the Cross of Calvary and He placing all who call on His name in Him.

God does not see you, popsthebuilder, or I, God sees His Son and His Son is perfect and He has placed us in Him who have called on His name.

Get off gt's gravy train. It is not good for your comprehension.

God only sees his son if the life of his son is seen in and through us.

Not if we carry on living our own lives and giving false lip service like many do, loving themselves and putting their lives before God.

True worship is to worship the father in Spirit and in truth. That is walk in the spirit, and to bare witness to the truth through Christ. To love God with all our heart, mind, soul and strength, and to love our neighbour as ourselves. To put God first in our lives and ourselves last!

 

[popsthebuilder]

Repentance is not obeying. Repentance is sincere regret or remorse. It is a heart thing. Nothing to do with doing.

Repentance is turning from a thing or stopping a thing.
Sorrow and shame of a godly sort can cause repentance.

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[popsthebuilder]

You popsthebuilder is the only one who CONCLUDES that.

The FINISHED WORK for salvation is Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work at the Cross of Calvary and He placing all who call on His name in Him.

God does not see you, popsthebuilder, or I, God sees His Son and His Son is perfect and He has placed us in Him who have called on His name.

Get off gt's gravy train. It is not good for your comprehension.

I concluded no such thing clown.

And assure you there are some who think the just judgement of GOD will pass over them.

Me asking questions about false vain beliefs doesn't mean I myself hold to such.

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[God's Truth]

You popsthebuilder is the only one who CONCLUDES that.

The FINISHED WORK for salvation is Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work at the Cross of Calvary and He placing all who call on His name in Him.

God does not see you, popsthebuilder, or I, God sees His Son and His Son is perfect and He has placed us in Him who have called on His name.

Get off gt's gravy train. It is not good for your comprehension.

Give the scripture that says when Jesus died on the cross it was finished meaning no one has to obey all those things he taught.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes, and what he looked like isn't important, it's his message that is.

He was probably a whole lot different to what he is portrayed as in the films, he didn't have it easy and I'm sure he wasn't all blonde haired and blue eyed with a bright red heart on his chest! He will have looked like everyone else at that time, he even had to be kissed on the cheek by judas to be pointed out. So he looked like every other ordinary man, although he wouldn't have glorified his flesh in any way whatsoever, i believe he would just wear the basic clothes of the time and he won't have had much either because he taught us to not want for too much and to be content with what we have and he would have practiced what he preached. But his heart was completely different to anyone else!

The Bible says he was not attractive in his looks.

Just think of why it was good that Jesus wasn't attractive physically.

 

[God's Truth]

Blimey so you're not even tempted? Even Jesus was tempted, as also are those who are born of God, we will go through fiery trials being tempted and tried, and we are strengthened as we overcome by the power of the Spirit.

1 Peter 4 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 1 Peter. But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

James 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;

1 Peter 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

I am not tempted to sin, but I am not a baby Christian either.

Jesus was only shown temptation in the desert, so that he could know what humans go through.

 

[Veritas veritate]

In the parable of the wedding feast, who gives the invitations, and who sustains the invitations? What happened to the ones who were called in but would not come? Did he make those to come to the feast who would not?

Do you remember what happened to the guest who did come, but would not put on the wedding garments?

What exactly do you think this parable is talking about? It is not about salvation or losing salvation, so this parable is irrelevant. Again, context is always key to the ORIGINAL MEANING of a text. Post modern personal inferences mean nothing.

In the parable of the prodigal son, what would have happened to the son who had already claimed his inheritance, if he had not returned? The parable says that he would have died from hunger. The joy of the son returning itself demonstrates that there was very real danger and consequence had he not returned.

This is a classic example of post modernism which personally infers meanings into a text. What would have happened isn't the point of the parable. God is not the God of "what would" and "what ifs," he is the God of all that is. Even still, your "what would have happened" scenario does not change the fact that he was still the father's son. Even if he would have died, he is still the father's son. Once you are born, no matter what happens, you cannot be unborn; so too, neither can you be re-reborn.

It is dangerous to seek hidden meanings out of every little detail in a parable, especially since parables are meant to convey one overarching meaning.



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[lifeisgood]

So all are saved?

Now you making yourself sound like a foolish woman.

 

[lifeisgood]

Repentance is obeying.
Jesus tells us to repent.

Repentance is not obeying. Repentance is sincere regret or remorse. Nothing to do with doing.

Repentance is a heart thing.

 

[lifeisgood]

Repentance causes regret, but spiritual repentance is not simply regret.

Repentance is a heart thing. It starts in the heart. It finishes in the heart. It does not start or end with doing anything about anything (Psalm 51:16-17).