The Trinity

[Rosenritter]

What exactly do you think this parable is talking about? It is not about salvation or losing salvation, so this parable is irrelevant. Again, context is always key to the ORIGINAL MEANING of a text. Post modern personal inferences mean nothing.

The parable is talking about the call to salvation. The symbols it uses aren't even vague or controversial.

The king is God, the son is Jesus. The servants are those that preach his gospel. The gospel is a gospel of repentance and salvation to all who believe. The wedding feast is alluded to in other parable and prophecy, including the parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25 and Revelation 19.

Matthew 25:1 KJV
(1) Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

By the way, that's yet another parable (the parable of the ten virgins) that illustrates that regardless of calling, we can still be shut out out the marriage. You remember how this parable ends? But continuing,

Revelation 19:7-9 KJV
(7) Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
(8) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
(9) And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Those that were bidden and did not come especially includes Israel, but likewise could apply to anyone. Those that were in the highways and byways and were received afterwards especially includes the Gentiles which were formerly unclean, but applies to anyone (if anyone can think of a category that might fall between the cracks, it fits here too.)

Acts 13:45-46 KJV
(45) But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
(46) Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

The wedding garments are the fine linen, clean and white, of the imputed righteous of Christ in his saints (see Rev 19 above.)

The people who are called to the feast, Jew or Gentile, male or female, slave or free, are individuals. The guest that was found without a wedding garment had not accepted the clothing that was supplied by the host. He was deemed unworthy and cast out from the wedding of the bride and the Lamb.

What I don't understand is 1) how you could say this is inapplicable, and 2) what other possible meaning you could come up with.

 

[Rosenritter]

My question for you is: given the fact that we are talking about biblical doctrines, why would I mean anything other than the original meaning and context of any word or passage therein?

The word "soul" in English did not originally mean man or beast, the inclusion of anything more than a human being was added later and then popularized by philosophers.

When did this philosophical popularization supposedly take place? Numbers 31:28 uses "soul" in the Bishops Bible, the Dhouy-Rheims, and the King James. That puts the word usage fairly far back. I even looked back a bit further to Middle English and found this in Wycliffe's translation of the Latin from the 1300's:

28 And thou schalt departe a part to the Lord, of hem that fouyten, and weren in batel, `o soule of fiue hundrid, as wel of men, as of oxun, and of assis, and of scheep.

I grant that soul is most usually used for the souls of men., but besides Numbers, there is another usage in Revelation that seems to refer to things that live in the sea (men don't live in the sea.)

Revelation 16:3 KJV
(3) And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

I believe that we are spiritual creatures inhabiting a fleshy body, and that we possess souls that allow us to relate and communicate meaningfully with, at least to some degree, other creatures that have souls.

Humans are body, soul, and spirit. Many animals (such as dogs, cats, horses, etc.) are body and soul, but no spirit, and some are only body (such as bugs). They won't be going to heaven, (sorry, animal lovers). Plants are physical bodies, but do not have either soul or spirit.

http://www.bible.ca/su-do-animals-have-souls-spirit-will-spot-be-in-heaven.htm


****** “Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, “Come.” I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.” (Revelation 6:1–2)
***** “And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war.” (Revelation 19:11)


... "O LORD, open his eyes so he can see." The LORD opened the servant's eyes and he saw that the hill was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha. ...

 

[marhig]

If Christ Jesus has placed you in Him, the WRATH of God will pass over you because just like in the Old Testament when God saw the blood on the doorposts of the door, He passed over the house and all who were inside WERE SAVED. It was NOT the perfection of the ones inside that saved them (for none of the ones who entered the house were perfect). It was the BLOOD that saved them. It is the same today. When God sees Christ Jesus' blood in us, He will pass over us. It is not anything we do. It is that we BELIEVE that His blood will save us that will save us because He has place us in Him and we rest in Him and what He did in our stead.

At last! That's exactly what I've been saying to you for ages!

It's not the death on the cross that saves, it's the life of Christ, his blood within those who belong to him, covering them, and those who are covered in Christ have his life in and through them.

If the life of Christ is within our hearts, by the power of the Spirit, then the destroyer can't enter in. The only way he gets in is if we turn back to our life in the flesh again.

We need the blood of Christ to be upon the doorposts of our hearts.

 

[marhig]

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

So according to you, Jesus must not have submitted to God.

I never said that Jesus didn't resist the devil or that he didn't submit to God. If Jesus didn't sin, then he resisted the devil completely and he completely submitted his life to God.

Being tempted doesn't mean that Jesus didn't submit himself to God. He was tempted in all points as we are, according to what is written in the Bible yet without sin. So Jesus completely resisted the devil and he completely lived by the will of God submitting himself to God fully!

 

[God's Truth]

I never said that Jesus didn't resist the devil or that he didn't submit to God. If Jesus didn't sin, then he resisted the devil completely and he completely submitted his life to God.

Being tempted doesn't mean that Jesus didn't submit himself to God. He was tempted in all points as we are, according to what is written in the Bible yet without sin. So Jesus completely resisted the devil and he completely lived by the will of God submitting himself to God fully!

We submit to God and the devil FLEES from us. So how do you ever get that Jesus lived his life being tempted.

He was tempted in the desert.

 

[Bright Raven]

We submit to God and the devil FLEES from us. So how do you ever get that Jesus lived his life being tempted.

He was tempted in the desert.

Hebrews 4:15 (NASB)
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

 

[God's Truth]

Hebrews 4:15 (NASB)
For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin.

The scripture says he was led into the desert to be tempted that is where he was tempted.

 

[Eagles Wings]

Happy Birthday, BR.

Hope you saw the messages in chat box earlier today.

 

[marhig]

We submit to God and the devil FLEES from us. So how do you ever get that Jesus lived his life being tempted.

He was tempted in the desert.

You've missed out resist the devil from that verse and that's important!

Ok, I'm just trying to understand you here, so do you think that once you submit yourself to God, then that's it, you never get tempted again? And once you yourself submitted yourself to God, you have never been tempted to sin, and you haven't sinned, is that right?

Because that verse doesn't mean that, we have many obstacles to overcome as we go through this life, as long as we are in this flesh, Satan will tempt us, it's his ground. God can strengthen those who belong to him and help them to overcome, even Jesus himself was strengthened when he prayed in the garden before he was crucified!

The difference is, Once we submit ourselves to God, then when we are tempted, we can be given the power by the Spirit, to resist the devil and he then flees from us. But we still have to deny ourselves and turn from sin. In that chapter, James is talking of the proud and telling them to humble themselves and to turn from sinning.

Satan has a hold on us in many ways, but if we through Christ deny ourselves we can overcome, sometimes it takes much prayer and fasting, but it can be achieved. Look at smoking for example, it's something that we let in, but then have to suffer to deny it, and then the craving eventually goes, my husband couldn't give this up, but through God he did, and drinking too. But those are only outward sins, the sins of the heart are far worse, like pride, envy, hardness and hatred selfishness etc. But God can strengthen us to overcome them all, if we submit to him say no, and turn from them.

In the very last verse of the book of James, he says this

James 4:17

Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

So, we are to do good before God and continue in his goodness and turn from sin, if we know it's right to do something before God and don't do it, then we are sinning. Submit ourselves to God and resist the devil, and he will flee from us. In other words, when our flesh desires to do something that we know is wrong before God, don't do it, pray to God and he will strengthen us, resist Satan and that desire will eventually go, that's why I say I'm dead to my old life, through Christ, by the power of the Spirit, many of the things that I loved in the world have left me now and i have no desire to do them anymore and the spirit has changed my heart and I know that they are wrong to do before God. But Satan knows my flesh and he knows what other things I would like to do, and he still tempts me in other ways. But whereas before I didn't know I was sinning, God has now opened my eyes to know sin and he strengthens me to overcome, but I do still fall, there are many ways to sin, and not all are wilful. But to say we never sin isn't the truth.

And don't you think that Jesus was strong enough to resist Satan in his daily life? He certainly was, God had given him the power over all flesh, because he totally submitted his life to him, he said that the father never leaves him, because he always does what pleases him. But that doesn't mean he was never tempted, he was tempted in every way, but he never sinned even once. And I believe what Jesus says, if he said that the apostles were with him through all his temptations then I believe him. And if that's the truth, then Jesus was tempted as we are, yet without sin, just as it says in the Bible, and he had amazing strength, grace and power to do such a thing, because he put himself last and the father first and he never did his will, but he always did God's will, and in his life he loved his neighbour and cared for and loved others, bringing to them the word of God preaching the gospel hoping to save as many would believe in him. He glorified the living God, and worshipped him in Spirit and in truth and he is our example to follow. He is the way the truth and the life, and no-one comes to the father except through him.

 

[God's Truth]

You've missed out resist the devil from that verse and that's important!

Only in your imagination did I miss it.

Ok, I'm just trying to understand you here, so do you think that once you submit yourself to God, then that's it, you never get tempted again? And once you yourself submitted yourself to God, you have never been tempted to sin, and you haven't sinned, is that right?

You are being argumentative.

Because that verse doesn't mean that, we have many obstacles to overcome as we go through this life,

First of all, let's get it straight, we are not Jesus and he did not struggle with sin. He was led in the wilderness to be tempted. He experienced temptation for us, so he knows.

as long as we are in this flesh, Satan will tempt us, it's his ground.

No that is your version.

 

[God's Truth]

And don't you think that Jesus was strong enough to resist Satan in his daily life?

lol How could you bring yourself to say something so wrong to me?

He was so not tempted that it was no problem for him.

Can hardly believe that you said something so bad.

 

[marhig]

Only in your imagination did I miss it.


You are being argumentative.

no I'm not, I'm genuinely wondering if you think that you never sin?

First of all, let's get it straight, we are not Jesus and he did not struggle with sin. He was led in the wilderness to be tempted. He experienced temptation for us, so he knows.

So you believe Jesus couldn't sin? If Jesus couldn't sin, then the was no point in Satan tempting him at all. If Jesus was tempted in all points as we are, then he had to be able to sin as we do. The difference is, he didn't sin, we do. And he wasn't only tempted in the wilderness but he was also tempted when he was with his apostles also. You always say to back up with scriptures, I have, and you say it's wrong. No it isn't, Jesus denied Satan always, that's why his sacrifice was perfect. Because he was without spot or blemish and he always resisted the devil to do the will of God! But that doesn't mean that he wasn't tempted.

Look at this verse

Matthew 19

The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

But Jesus could see it, and was wise and that's the difference, those of the flesh don't have wisdom or spiritual discernment, and they can't see Satan in others or him tempting their own hearts, those born of God, who are strong in him can. Satan will do what he can to trip us up, but Jesus was too strong for him. We sometimes fall, but hopefully not wilfully, and we will be being saved daily from falling by the power of the Spirit through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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[marhig]

lol How could you bring yourself to say something so wrong to me?

He was so not tempted that it was no problem for him.

Can hardly believe that you said something so bad.

As I said, if Jesus wasn't tempted as we are, then when says in Hebrews 4, that he was tempted in all points as we are, then it's not the truth. Because Jesus would have been just like us, to say otherwise is to take away everything he went through and he did for us, he suffered like we do. And he truly suffered in every way to bare witness to the truth for us, and to bring us the gospel and show us a new and living way to follow.

I believe he was tempted, just as we are, and what is said in Hebrews 4 is the truth.

 

[God's Truth]

As I said, if Jesus wasn't tempted as we are, then when says in Hebrews 4, that he was tempted in all points as we are, then it's not the truth. Because Jesus would have been just like us, to say otherwise is to take away everything he went through and he did for us, he suffered like we do. And he truly suffered in every way to bare witness to the truth for us, and to bring us the gospel and show us a new and living way to follow.

I believe he was tempted, just as we are, and what is said in Hebrews 4 is the truth.

He was tempted, but it was in the desert.

You have got to be kidding if you think that Jesus Christ lived his life being tempted by sin.

Matthew 4:1 At that time Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the Desert in order to be tempted by the Devil.


Did you read that?

Jesus was led in the desert IN ORDER TO BE TEMPTED.

 

[marhig]

He was tempted, but it was in the desert.

You have got to be kidding if you think that Jesus Christ lived his life being tempted by sin.

Matthew 4:1 At that time Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the Desert in order to be tempted by the Devil.


Did you read that?

Jesus was led in the desert IN ORDER TO BE TEMPTED.

GT I believe what is written, and Jesus said that he had the apostles with him through all his temptations, they weren't in the wilderness!

Btw where did I say he wasn't tempted in the wilderness. I believe he was tempted in the wilderness too!

 

[God's Truth]

no I'm not, I'm genuinely wondering if you think that you never sin?

Have you come to speak about the scriptures or have you come to accuse me?
I am here to talk about the scriptures and not to hear you accuse me and call me a liar.

Let’s discuss what the scriptures say about sinning.

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “the Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

Acts 26:17, 18 …I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

Read all of Romans Chapter 6-7

So you believe Jesus couldn't sin? If Jesus couldn't sin, then the was no point in Satan tempting him at all.

You are making up things I did not say.

And he wasn't only tempted in the wilderness but he was also tempted when he was with his apostles also.

If you have a scripture in mind tell me which one says Jesus was tempted when with the apostles.

You always say to back up with scriptures, I have, and you say it's wrong.

You are being disingenuous. Show where I say scripture is wrong. You are the one who says scripture is wrong. I gave you scripture that plainly says Jesus was led into the desert to be tempted. You have yet to show scripture that says out of the desert he lived in turmoil. I don’t even live that way when it comes to sin, so how do you EVER get that Jesus did? I know for a fact that I am not tempted by ugly sin after obeying Jesus. I hate what is evil and cling to what is good. You think Jesus lived his life how? Go ahead and explain that mess to us.

No it isn't, Jesus denied Satan always, that's why his sacrifice was perfect. Because he was without spot or blemish and he always resisted the devil to do the will of God! But that doesn't mean that he wasn't tempted.

He didn’t keep living in temptation because he SUBMITTED TO GOD and Satan FLED from him. If that happens for us, then how much more for Jesus.

Look at this verse

Matthew 19

The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

Use sense that is common, since God has given you wisdom.
Tell me, would you be tempted to SIN in such a predicament, if in fact it was a predicament?

But Jesus could see it, and was wise and that's the difference, those of the flesh don't have wisdom or spiritual discernment, and they can't see Satan in others or him tempting their own hearts, those born of God, who are strong in him can.

You contradict yourself. It isn’t very tempting is it? Is it tempting when you know how sinful it is?

Satan will do what he can to trip us up, but Jesus was too strong for him. We sometimes fall, but hopefully not wilfully, and we will be being saved daily from falling by the power of the Spirit through our Lord Jesus Christ.

You need to learn how to stop calling people you do not know ‘liars’.

1 Peter 4:1 Since, then, Christ has suffered in the flesh, you also must arm yourselves with a determination to do the same--because he who has suffered in the flesh has done with sin—

Did you read that? Do you feel good about yourself calling Peter a liar? Peter is speaking the words of God, do you want to say what he says is a lie?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Well, we know GOD cannot be tempted whatsoever, so with the verses that gt and marig have provided we have further refutation of the idea that Jesus of Nazareth, the Savior and Messiah and son of GOD, was the literal utter fullness of the One Creator GOD as He walked the earth as a man.



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[God's Truth]

GT I believe what is written, and Jesus said that he had the apostles with him through all his temptations, they weren't in the wilderness!

Btw where did I say he wasn't tempted in the wilderness. I believe he was tempted in the wilderness too!

Jesus was TEMPTED IN THE DESERT, and was tempted again to struggle with the baptism of torture, pain, and being crucified.

You have no understanding of this kind of temptation because you are too worldly speaking about wanting to hurl insults and step on others.

 

[God's Truth]

Well, we know GOD cannot be tempted whatsoever, so with the verses that gt and marig have provided we have further refutation of the idea that Jesus of Nazareth, the Savior and Messiah and son of GOD, was the literal utter fullness of the One Creator GOD as He walked the earth as a man.



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God the Father was tempted AS a MAN IN THE DESERT for a time.

I am not so sure I am agreeing with you on what your are trying to convey.