The Trinity

[lifeisgood]

No one knows what Jesus looks like. It would be wrong to make any picture.

I personally would not have or make a picture of Jesus because as you say, no one knows how He looks like.

However, God is not against beautiful things. He ordered that the veil that separated the holy place and the holy of holies had cherubim embroidered on them not for them to be worshiped but because God said that they should be embroidered (Ex. 36:35). God did not say that the cherubim was to be worshiped.

 

[lifeisgood]

Repentance is turning from a thing or stopping a thing.
Sorrow and shame of a godly sort can cause repentance.

Repentance starts and finishes in the heart.

 

[lifeisgood]

I concluded no such thing clown.

And assure you there are some who think the just judgement of GOD will pass over them.

Me asking questions about false vain beliefs doesn't mean I myself hold to such.

If Christ Jesus has placed you in Him, the WRATH of God will pass over you because just like in the Old Testament when God saw the blood on the doorposts of the door, He passed over the house and all who were inside WERE SAVED. It was NOT the perfection of the ones inside that saved them (for none of the ones who entered the house were perfect). It was the BLOOD that saved them. It is the same today. When God sees Christ Jesus' blood in us, He will pass over us. It is not anything we do. It is that we BELIEVE that His blood will save us that will save us because He has place us in Him and we rest in Him and what He did in our stead.

 

[lifeisgood]

Give the scripture that says when Jesus died on the cross it was finished meaning no one has to obey all those things he taught.

Oh, foolish, foolish woman. You can't stand that Christ Jesus does not need you to save you, do you.

You who so vociferously say you OBEY ALL of Jesus' commandments and then when asked confess (but does not repent) that you do not obey all of them, and then keeps on demanding that all follow your flawed confessed and not repented example.

 

[Truster]

Repentance is a heart thing. It starts in the heart. It finishes in the heart. It does not start or end with doing anything about anything (Psalm 51:16-17).

You don't even understand what the word heart means in the symbolic sense. Which also means you don't comprehend the symbolic significance of the soul.

You shouldn't try to discuss subjects that contain words you don't understand with men who do know and understand the words.

 

[marhig]

The Bible says he was not attractive in his looks.

Just think of why it was good that Jesus wasn't attractive physically.

No he wasn't, he was more marred than any man, and physical attractiveness won't have been important to Jesus, the gospel of God was, and living by the will of the father.

Looks mean nothing, it's the heart that counts.

 

[lifeisgood]

You don't even understand what the word heart means in the symbolic sense. Which also means you don't comprehend the symbolic significance of the soul.

You shouldn't try to discuss subjects that contain words you don't understand with men who do know and understand the words.

Well, I ain't talking about the blood pump station.

Repentance is a heart thing. It is not a pump thing.

 

[Truster]

Well, I ain't talking about the blood pump station.

Repentance is a heart thing. It is not a pump thing.

As I said, you haven't got a clue as to the meaning of the heart in the symbolic sense.

 

[marhig]

I am not tempted to sin, but I am not a baby Christian either.

Jesus was only shown temptation in the desert, so that he could know what humans go through.

Well I get tempted, although now I know what's right and wrong and God does strengthen me to overcome, but I still have to suffer at times to deny myself and say no, but the way I used to live is dead to me now.

We all sin, regardless of what anyone says, even wrong thoughts are sinful, but hopefully those born of God are stronger now that they are blessed with the Spirit, and we can turn from sin as Christ by the Spirit shows us our sins.

But we all sin, if anyone says they don't sin, they are a liar! But once we realise we've sinned, then we are to go to God confess our sins and pray for forgiveness and put it right if we can.

1 John 1

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

As for Christ Jesus, Jesus wasn't only tempted in the desert, he was tempted throughout his ministry

Luke 22:28

Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me

The apostles were not with him in the desert yet they continued with him in his temptations. So he was tempted when he walked with his apostles preaching the gospel, yet he didn't sin.

Jesus was tempted in all points as we are, thus he would have been tempted in the same way as we are tempted.

Jesus could have sinned, but he didn't and he overcame Satan and the world and brought to us a new and living way to worship the father. In Spirit and in truth. And through Christ, by the power of the Spirit, we can overcome the world too.

 

[marhig]

Repentance is not obeying. Repentance is sincere regret or remorse. Nothing to do with doing.

Repentance is a heart thing.

To repent is to have sincere regret and to turn away from what we were doing, and for us that's to regret the way we sinned before God, and to turn from those sins and live by the will of God!

 

[Tambora]

Repentance is not obeying.

Right on!
:thumb:

Repentance is sincere regret or remorse.

Well, it can.
Can also make ya happy.
But only context will show which, as neither is ingrained into the word "repent".
I'm sure you know that, but just wanted others to be aware that the word "repent", itself, does not carry with it the connotation of how one 'feels' when they do.

Nothing to do with doing.

Amen!

Repentance is a heart thing.

Absolutely!



Furthermore, I would like to take this time to let you know I appreciate you here at TOL.
Keep up the good work!

 

[Veritas veritate]

We are talking about the English word soul. You are changing the subject to the Hebrew word nephesh (which is also used for both man and beast.). The English translation of that passage does demonstrate that the word "soul" can apply to either man and beast in the biblical English. A diversion will just delay the inevitable and require additional scriptures to prove the expanded scope of the challenge.

"Soul" does include living things (man and beast) in English. I suggest that if we are going to use a word like soul within a biblical context, that we should continue to use it as the scripture uses it, rather than applying our own different meanings on top of it.

My question for you is: given the fact that we are talking about biblical doctrines, why would I mean anything other than the original meaning and context of any word or passage therein?

The word "soul" in English did not originally mean man or beast, the inclusion of anything more than a human being was added later and then popularized by philosophers.

As far as "biblical English" as you call it, is concerned, context is ALWAYS the key. Do a word search of nephesh and you will see that there are contextual qualifying words which indicate whether man or beast is meant.

I am not sure I understand your point, unless you are suggesting that "image" has a single fixed meaning regardless of context. When something is created after an image, it is a likeness, with similarity.

Actually, in the case of "image" it does have a single fixed meaning: a representation. Context clarifies what kind of representation is meant, and that representation is always a picture, whether it is physical or not.

When someone is the image of the invisible God, and He whom we know to be that image is said to have created all things, that does point to the visible being the one and the same as that which was beforehand invisible.

Nothing to oppose here.

Jesus was the image of God, Jesus is God, not a contradiction, but a confirmation.

This is exactly what I am saying. Jesus is God, not a separate co-equal being. He is the icon of the invisible God, there is no difference between the being of Jesus and the being of the Father, they are the same being.

What did you interpret "morning stars" as in that passage? Considering how Hebrew makes statements in parallel, that seems to be another name for the angels of God. Nor would the be the only place where such a convention is used. Revelation also uses "stars" when (most people agree) it is speaking of angels.

Rev 12:4
(4) And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

However, let's grant that you are not persuaded that the angels of God clapped their hands in joy with the creation of the earth. When do you consider the angels to have entered the picture? Before the creation of man on the sixth day, or after?

Please choose, and be ready for these questions:

a) If you say it was after the sixth day, how did the serpent enter the picture? After the sixth day, it says God rested, implying no more creation.

b) But if you say it was before the sixth day, then it is self evident that the angels of God were present when the creation of the earth was finished, and likewise appropriate that they "shouted with joy" as spoken of in Job. And as such, for what point are you arguing?



Can you please clarify which of those answers a) or b) you are choosing in relation to whether the angels of God were present, when God completed the creation of the earth, and then said, "Let us make man in our image?"

I do not have the time to respond to this at this time, but I will, and I will address a few things about your question and where I stand regarding the angels.


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[God's Truth]

Well I get tempted, although now I know what's right and wrong and God does strengthen me to overcome,

I am not tempted at all to sin. It is too ugly and not tempting at all.

I still have to suffer at times to deny myself and say no, but the way I used to live is dead to me now.

It sounds a little contradictory.

We all sin, regardless of what anyone says,

You shouldn't speak for everyone.

even wrong thoughts are sinful,

I don't have sinful thoughts. How hard is it to stop thinking wrong?

Jesus showed me all the horrible thoughts people have. It is important what we think.

but hopefully those born of God are stronger now that they are blessed with the Spirit, and we can turn from sin as Christ by the Spirit shows us our sins.

But we all sin, if anyone says they don't sin, they are a liar!

You really should not talk like that.
You don't speak like the written Word says.
The written Word says 'IF' anyone sins.
You say you are a liar...

But once we realise we've sinned, then we are to go to God confess our sins and pray for forgiveness and put it right if we can.

Sounds a little strange...once you realize you have sinned, okay, but you have trained yourself to know right from wrong by now, right?

1 John 1

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

That scripture is not what you are making it to mean.
That scripture is NOT so you can call other obeying Christians 'liars'.
That scripture is about you were NEVER SAVED in the first place if you did not admit you are a sinner, and then you must repent.

As for Christ Jesus, Jesus wasn't only tempted in the desert, he was tempted throughout his ministry

Luke 22:28

Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me

Think of it as those who continued with Jesus in his TRIALS.
Let common sense come in and help you.
Does it really sound right to you that Jesus was living in temptations?

The apostles were not with him in the desert yet they continued with him in his temptations. So he was tempted when he walked with his apostles preaching the gospel, yet he didn't sin.

He wasn't tempted to sin.

Jesus was tempted in all points as we are, thus he would have been tempted in the same way as we are tempted.

Jesus was tempted in the desert,and then Satan left him.

 

[marhig]

I am not tempted at all to sin. It is too ugly and not tempting at all.


It sounds a little contradictory.


You shouldn't speak for everyone.



I don't have sinful thoughts. How had is it to stop thinking wrong?

Jesus showed me all the horrible thoughts people have. It is important what we think.

You really should not talk like that.
You don't speak like the written Word says.
The written Word says 'IF' anyone sins.


Sounds a little strange...once you realize you have sinned, okay, but you have trained yourself to know right from wrong by now, right?

That scripture is not what you are making it to mean.
That scripture is NOT so you can call other obeying Christians 'liars'.
That scripture is about you were NEVER SAVED in the first place if you did not admit you are a sinner, and then you must repent.

Think of it as those who continued with Jesus in his TRIALS.
Let common sense come in and help you.
Does it really sound right to you that Jesus was living in temptations?


He wasn't tempted to sin.



Jesus was tempted in the desert,and then Satan left him.

I believe what Jesus said, and he says that he was tempted when he was with his apostles.

And if you don't sin and you are never tempted to sin, well, that's amazing. I'm not that perfect!

 

[God's Truth]

I believe what Jesus said, and he says that he was tempted when he was with his apostles.

And if you don't sin and you are never tempted to sin, well, that's amazing. I'm not that perfect!

James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

So according to you, Jesus must not have submitted to God.

 

[God's Truth]

Oh, foolish, foolish woman. You can't stand that Christ Jesus does not need you to save you, do you.

You who so vociferously say you OBEY ALL of Jesus' commandments and then when asked confess (but does not repent) that you do not obey all of them, and then keeps on demanding that all follow your flawed confessed and not repented example.

You need the Lord, you can't control yourself and refrain from calling people the worst name you can think of that Jesus speaks of.

 

[God's Truth]

Repentance is not obeying. Repentance is sincere regret or remorse. Nothing to do with doing.

Repentance is a heart thing.

Jesus commands us to repent.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Repentance starts and finishes in the heart.

It leads to change, turning from, and stopping.

All are actions.

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[popsthebuilder]

If Christ Jesus has placed you in Him, the WRATH of God will pass over you because just like in the Old Testament when God saw the blood on the doorposts of the door, He passed over the house and all who were inside WERE SAVED. It was NOT the perfection of the ones inside that saved them (for none of the ones who entered the house were perfect). It was the BLOOD that saved them. It is the same today. When God sees Christ Jesus' blood in us, He will pass over us. It is not anything we do. It is that we BELIEVE that His blood will save us that will save us because He has place us in Him and we rest in Him and what He did in our stead.

I agree with all of that.

It seems to me that entering in His rest is to stop ones own works that are at enmity with GOD; and to follow ones heart and Christ through to the working of the Spirit that does indeed lead to good works to the glorying of GOD.


We are told to stand fast; to persevere.

How does that equate to acceptance of any and everything?

Does even St. Paul not say those things aren't expedient for us. Does he say perseverance in faith leads to additional sin regardless of the truth? Or that we are molded of the Spirit in likeness to our Lord?


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[popsthebuilder]

1 Peter: 5. 2. Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 3. Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. 4. And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away. 5. Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 6. Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: 7. Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. 8. Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9. Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. 10. But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11. To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

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