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marhig

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Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father.

All humans have spirits, and Jesus Spirit is the Spirit of the Father.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



That is about angels.

Now tell me why you won't believe the scriptures that say the Lord is the Spirit?

Yes begotten of the father not that he is the father. Jesus is not the father. How can they be three, yet Jesus be the father also, that makes no sense at all.

The Spirit of Christ is within us, made manifest through the Holy Spirit.

And you say that that verse is about angels, so the angels are ministering spirits? And how does that work, what do you believe?. Thanks
 

glorydaz

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I believe they do, many say that they are saved no matter what they do wrong before God. And that God doesn't see their sin and that all sin is forgiven including future sins, this is not the truth.

I don't give a hoot what you believe. There is only ONE truth, and you clearly don't have it. All sin was future when our Lord died for the sins of the world. You don't know the truth...thus you remain under bondage.

Yes he does see our sins, and we are judged on whatsoever we do, whether it be good or bad. And we are forgiven if we truly repent, and as we forgive others in our daily lives God forgives us. We are not just forgiven and then that's it. We are to turn from sin once we know God and then live to please and glorify him.

There is no IF for the believer. We are encouraged to be forgiving BECAUSE God has already forgiven us when we believe the Gospel of Salvation. There are no conditions with Grace.

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.​

That IF condemns you. It proves you are still under the Law. You're just like the Jews.

Romans 10:3-4
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.​
 

marhig

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I don't give a hoot what you believe. There is only ONE truth, and you clearly don't have it. All sin was future when our Lord died for the sins of the world. You don't know the truth...thus you remain under bondage.



There is no IF for the believer. We are encouraged to be forgiving BECAUSE God has already forgiven us when we believe the Gospel of Salvation. There are no conditions with Grace.

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.​

That IF condemns you. It proves you are still under the Law. You're just like the Jews.

Romans 10:3-4
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.​



And being encouraged to do something and actually doing it are two different things. The Spirit will always encourage us to do what's right, but we don't always listen.

And that verse in Ephesians 4 doesn't condemn me at all! It shows that what I'm saying is right!

Paul clearly says BE YOU kind to one another, we have a choice, be kind or not. And Paul tells us to forgive one another just as God for Christ's sake has forgiven us. We are to forgive others just as God has forgiven us. But we are not made to forgive, we have a choice.

And the righteousness of God and life of Christ is shown in those who live by the will of God. Those who establish their own righteousness, live by their own will and love the themselves and their flesh before God!
 

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Yes begotten of the father not that he is the father.

You don't even see that Jesus is God.

Jesus' Spirit is the Father's Spirit.
Jesus is not the father. How can they be three, yet Jesus be the father also, that makes no sense at all.
Tell me then where is Jesus' Spirit?

If Jesus' Spirit is not the Father's Spirit, then where is Jesus' Spirit?

The Spirit of Christ is within us, made manifest through the Holy Spirit.

So you are saying that the spirit of the man Jesus is in all the saved?

And you say that that verse is about angels, so the angels are ministering spirits? And how does that work, what do you believe?. Thanks

I have answered your question. Could you tell me what you are getting at? Why are you bringing up angels when we are speaking about Jesus being God?
 

marhig

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You don't even see that Jesus is God.

Jesus' Spirit is the Father's Spirit.

Tell me then where is Jesus' Spirit?

If Jesus' Spirit is not the Father's Spirit, then where is Jesus' Spirit?



So you are saying that the spirit of the man Jesus is in all the saved?



I have answered your question. Could you tell me what you are getting at? Why are you bringing up angels when we are speaking about Jesus being God?

The Spirit of the man Jesus? What? No that's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying the Spirit of God was in his fullness in the man Jesus. Jesus, who is the Christ the son of the living God. Just as the Bible teaches us!

And what I'm trying to see, is how you believe that the ministering Spirits (the angels) minister to us? In what way? Thanks
 

God's Truth

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The Spirit of the man Jesus?

You said Jesus is not God, so tell me about what you believe concerning Jesus' Spirit. If Jesus is not God, how can his Spirit live in all the saved?

What? No that's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying the Spirit of God was in his fullness in the man Jesus. Jesus, who is the Christ the son of the living God. Just as the Bible teaches us!

Again, since you say Jesus was just a man, tell me how the spirit of a man can be in so many people.

And what I'm trying to see, is how you believe that the ministering Spirits (the angels) minister to us? In what way? Thanks

Why won't you answer my questions? What does the angels have to do with what we are talking about?

Angels bring the saved to God when they die, and at the resurrection.
 

glorydaz

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And being encouraged to do something and actually doing it are two different things. The Spirit will always encourage us to do what's right, but we don't always listen.

Too bad your confidence is not in Him...for He will perform that which He began in us. Your feeble efforts only get in the way. Your pride does that.

Philippians 1:6
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:​



And that verse in Ephesians 4 doesn't condemn me at all! It shows that what I'm saying is right!

Nope, once again, your pride keeps you blinded to the truth.

Paul clearly says BE YOU kind to one another, we have a choice, be kind or not. And Paul tells us to forgive one another just as God for Christ's sake has forgiven us. We are to forgive others just as God has forgiven us. But we are not made to forgive, we have a choice.

"Has forgiven us"....I see you're changing your story. You claim we are not forgiven unless we forgive. There is no "choice" with the LAW. You fence straddlers can't quite keep your story straight, can you? :chuckle:

And the righteousness of God and life of Christ is shown in those who live by the will of God. Those who establish their own righteousness, live by their own will and love the themselves and their flesh before God!

There she goes again.....one contradiction after another. Do you ever read what you are saying or do you just yap and hope we won't notice.

Have you ever considered that we are God's workmanship? Do you even have an inkling of what that means? God doesn't want or need your interference...your intolerable boasting in how much you try. You cannot outperform God. How wonderful you are and how horrible the others are....those who rest and trust in the Lord are not trying hard enough for you workers, are they? Your trust is in yourself...your own doing. Good luck with that.
 

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I believe everything he says and do all that he commands.

Wrong. You don't do everything He says, because you haven't sold all you own and given it to the poor.

Prediction, GT will now claim "oh that's not for me, where did Jesus say for all to do that", and I point out right here and now, that GT herself said:

I believe everything he says and do all that he commands.
 

marhig

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Too bad your confidence is not in Him...for He will perform that which He began in us. Your feeble efforts only get in the way. Your pride does that.

Philippians 1:6
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:​





Nope, once again, your pride keeps you blinded to the truth.



"Has forgiven us"....I see you're changing your story. You claim we are not forgiven unless we forgive. There is no "choice" with the LAW. You fence straddlers can't quite keep your story straight, can you? :chuckle:



There she goes again.....one contradiction after another. Do you ever read what you are saying or do you just yap and hope we won't notice.

Have you ever considered that we are God's workmanship? Do you even have an inkling of what that means? God doesn't want or need your interference...your intolerable boasting in how much you try. You cannot outperform God. How wonderful you are and how horrible the others are....those who rest and trust in the Lord are not trying hard enough for you workers, are they? Your trust is in yourself...your own doing. Good luck with that.
Yes God has forgiven us of our past sins that we committed in ignorance, once we are born of God we are to turn from sin, we are not to carry on living to please ourselves but live by the will of God.

And Jesus taught us to pray daily, saying forgive us our trespasses as we forgive others, now you might think that's not applicable to you seeing as according to you what Jesus taught is for the Jews only, but I believe that Jesus preached the word to all and not just to the Jews, so I take that to myself and when I pray I include this in my prayers and ask God to forgive me because I'm just a sinner being saved by his grace daily!

I've never once said I'm wonderful, can you show me where I've said that? I know what my flesh is like I'm not wonderful in anyway whatsoever! Unlike many who see themselves as elect, saved and above others, thinking that they can look down on others and speak to them like dirt, with constant insults, yet they themselves are self-righteous!

God works in our hearts, he changes and cleans us by the power of the Spirit through Christ, and then we live by those works and they can be seen in our lives outwardly, bringing forth the fruit of the Spirit, which is the same fruit that the seed came from which is Christ, those who God works in, show the life of Christ in their lives daily! This is the workmanship of God!
 

marhig

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You said Jesus is not God, so tell me about what you believe concerning Jesus' Spirit. If Jesus is not God, how can his Spirit live in all the saved?


Again, since you say Jesus was just a man, tell me how the spirit of a man can be in so many people.

I've already explained this! And I've never said that Jesus the man is in anyone, but Christ is made manifest in our bodies by the power of the Spirit. I don't have to explain myself to you because you order me to GT. And I know that's the truth. And I know that Christ Jesus isn't the father!

Why won't you answer my questions? What does the angels have to do with what we are talking about?

Angels bring the saved to God when they die, and at the resurrection.

Angels are ministering Spirits, so I was just seeing what you understand that to mean. Anyway no worries, thanks.
 

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Yes God has we forgiven us of our past sins that we committed in ignorance, once we are born of God we are to turn from sin, we are not to carry on living to please ourselves but live by the will of God.

He's also forgiven us of all sins we might commit in the future or are committing.

And Jesus taught us to pray daily, saying forgive us our trespasses as we forgive others,

Because He was teaching law, not grace, to Israel, not the Body of Christ (which didn't even exist yet).

Paul teaches forgive because we are already forgiven, not so that we will be forgiven.

now you might think that's not applicable to you seeing as according to you what Jesus taught is for the Jews only,

Not according to me. According to the Bible, and Jesus Himself.

but I believe that Jesus preached the word to all and not just to the Jews,

Jesus resisted ministering to the Gentiles during His ministry.

He refused help to the gentile woman who's daughter was demon possessed:
Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon.And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour. - Matthew 15:21-28 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew15:21-28&version=NKJV
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From there He arose and went to the region of Tyre and Sidon. And He entered a house and wanted no one to know it, but He could not be hidden.For a woman whose young daughter had an unclean spirit heard about Him, and she came and fell at His feet.The woman was a Greek, a Syro-Phoenician by birth, and she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter.But Jesus said to her, “Let the children be filled first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”And she answered and said to Him, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs under the table eat from the children’s crumbs.”Then He said to her, “For this saying go your way; the demon has gone out of your daughter.”And when she had come to her house, she found the demon gone out, and her daughter lying on the bed. - Mark 7:24-30 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark7:24-30&version=NKJV

He refused to help the centurion who's servant was sick:
Now when Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, pleading with Him,saying, “Lord, my servant is lying at home paralyzed, dreadfully tormented.”And Jesus said to him, “I will come and heal him.”The centurion answered and said, “Lord, I am not worthy that You should come under my roof. But only speak a word, and my servant will be healed.For I also am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it. ”When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go your way; and as you have believed, so let it be done for you.” And his servant was healed that same hour. - Matthew 8:5-13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew8:5-13&version=NKJV
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Now when He concluded all His sayings in the hearing of the people, He entered Capernaum.And a certain centurion’s servant, who was dear to him, was sick and ready to die.So when he heard about Jesus, he sent elders of the Jews to Him, pleading with Him to come and heal his servant.And when they came to Jesus, they begged Him earnestly, saying that the one for whom He should do this was deserving,“for he loves our nation, and has built us a synagogue.”Then Jesus went with them. And when He was already not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to Him, saying to Him, “Lord, do not trouble Yourself, for I am not worthy that You should enter under my roof.Therefore I did not even think myself worthy to come to You. But say the word, and my servant will be healed.For I also am a man placed under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it. ”When Jesus heard these things, He marveled at him, and turned around and said to the crowd that followed Him, “I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!”And those who were sent, returning to the house, found the servant well who had been sick. - Luke 7:1-10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke7:1-10&version=NKJV

In both instances, the only reason Jesus did a miracle for them was because of their great faith. There are more, but I'm too tired to look for them right now.

so I take that to myself and when I pray I include this in my prayers and ask God to forgive me because I'm just a sinner being saved by his grace daily!

So you're still a sinner? You mean, you reject that you have died to sin and Christ lives in you? Are you not justified by Christ?

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.For he who has died has been freed from sin.Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 6:1-23 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans6:1-23&version=NKJV

God works in our hearts, he changes and cleans us by the power of the Spirit through Christ, and then we live by those works they can be seen in our lives outwardly, bringing forth the fruit of the Spirit, which is the same fruit that the seed came from which is Christ, those who God works in, show the life of Christ in their lives daily! This is the workmanship of God!

Then why do you still call yourself a sinner?

But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified. “But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.” - Galatians 2:14-21 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians2:14-21&version=NKJV
 
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