The Trinity

The Trinity


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Right Divider

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No.

Projection.

GOD is spirit.

Person is creation/ mortal/ begotten/ formed/ limited in all capacities.

Do you presume to assume that GOD is limited as IT'S creation is?

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That is YOUR false definition of what a person is.

God never calls Himself an IT.

A Father is a PERSON.
A Son is a PERSON.
The Holy Spirit is a PERSON.

.... According to the Bible.

The ONLY limitations of God are those of His nature and character.... for example: He cannot lie.
 

Rosenritter

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Genesis disagrees with you...

Genesis one tells us that God said that He would make/create man in his image.... Then you have Genesis two which tells us how God created man in his image.

And the Eternal God formed man (the body) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the spirit of life and man became a living soul. ~ Genesis 2:7

Furthermore, an image (by definition something seen), necessitates a body which can be seen... This is why there are Christophanies within the Old Testament.

I am with Right Divider on this. The image of God would have to do with aspects of His nature. If it meant physical form, then monkeys and gorillas are also made in the image of God, which I think we can all agree isn't the application of that phrase. Or by further extension, anything made from the dust with the breath of life (cattle, horses, pigs) are in the image of God, which is even further away from the meaning.

God, men, and angels, these are in the same image, in the place where it matters: we make choices for good or for evil, we can choose obedience or disobedience, love or hatred, selfishness or sacrifice.
 

Rosenritter

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Also we know there is only one three in one trinity in the bible.

Rev 20:2
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
(NKJ)

Squeaky, neither your logic nor math skills are adding up here.

1) multiple names for the same being do not a Trinity make,
2) if you are counting names, there's four there, not three. Dragon, Serpent, Devil, Satan.
 

Rosenritter

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Jesus said the Father is the only true God. Paul said for us there is only one God the Father. Jesus also said you have never heard Gods voice, nor seen His form.
Now we seen Jesus so He cant be God, we hear the Holy Spirit speak to us, so He cant be God.
Jesus said that we and Him have the very same God, and the very same Father. See how simple it is if you would just believe Jesus.


John 5:37
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
(NKJ)

John 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

John 20:17
17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"
(NKJ)

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

Squeaky, do you really think that John was unaware of these sayings when he sat down and wrote the gospel of John? Do you suppose, for a moment, that the "disciple whom Jesus loved" might have had the better understanding of this than you?

John 1:1-3 KJV
(1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(2) The same was in the beginning with God.
(3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

This is the introduction to those gospel passages you gave that supposedly prove that Jesus was not God. Yet John calls Jesus the Word, and says that He is our very God. If you do not start with the right perspective, there may be many passages that might sound confusing or ambiguous, but this must be seen in the light of passages that come straight out to set the record straight. John speaks plainly when he says "the Word was God."
 

Rosenritter

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So me agreeing with Jesus about His level of divinity is me disagreeing to you?

Why the dividing line? What are you afraid of? Don't you know to fear no thing whatsoever; nothing but GOD? If I agree that the man Jesus of Nazareth was the Christ of GOD and that He is all He says He is, including the first born before the foundation of the world, and the judge of all, and believe His promises and His commands, and in the resurrection; that His Temple was torn down and was/will be raised back up upon the third day, and that in likeness to His physical death we are to be physically dead to the wants of the flesh and greed;amd as he is risen up, we to are raised to life in His Spirit, by His doing, and our acceptance of His doing and faith in HIS Word, then why do you accuse me without really knowing my doctrine, and perhaps, not even your own?

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Colossians 1:15-17 KJV
(15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
(16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Genesis 1 tells us that God created all things. I think the confusion of "the firstborn of every creature" comes from a misunderstanding of the term.

Clarke's Commentary has this note on the term:

As the Jews term Jehovah
בכורו של עולם becoro shel olam, the first-born of all the world, or of all the creation, to signify his having created or produced all things; (see Wolfius in loc.) so Christ is here termed, and the words which follow in the 16th and 17th verses are the proof of this. The phraseology is Jewish; and as they apply it to the supreme Being merely to denote his eternal pre-existence, and to point him out as the cause of all things; it is most evident that St. Paul uses it in the same way, and illustrates his meaning in the following words, which would be absolutely absurd if we could suppose that by the former he intended to convey any idea of the inferiority of Jesus Christ.

Putting this another way, the "first born of every creature" is a term applying to Jehovah, not a contradiction that Jesus created all things, and certainly not a statement that he is anyone but our God. It's a Jewish term, and thus should be interpreted.
 

glorydaz

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Genesis disagrees with you...

Genesis one tells us that God said that He would make/create man in his image.... Then you have Genesis two which tells us how God created man in his image.

And the Eternal God formed man (the body) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the spirit of life and man became a living soul. ~ Genesis 2:7

Furthermore, an image (by definition something seen), necessitates a body which can be seen... This is why there are Christophanies within the Old Testament.

Man is tripartite made in the image of our triune God. This topic deserves a thread of it's own. :thumb:
 

popsthebuilder

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That is YOUR false definition of what a person is.

God never calls Himself an IT.

A Father is a PERSON.
A Son is a PERSON.
The Holy Spirit is a PERSON.

.... According to the Bible.

The ONLY limitations of God are those of His nature and character.... for example: He cannot lie.
Silly.

You limit GOD by saying IT can only be a person.



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popsthebuilder

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That is YOUR false definition of what a person is.

God never calls Himself an IT.

A Father is a PERSON.
A Son is a PERSON.
The Holy Spirit is a PERSON.

.... According to the Bible.

The ONLY limitations of God are those of His nature and character.... for example: He cannot lie.
Show that GOD is 3 people with scripture please.

I'll wait.

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popsthebuilder

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Colossians 1:15-17 KJV
(15) Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
(16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
(17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Genesis 1 tells us that God created all things. I think the confusion of "the firstborn of every creature" comes from a misunderstanding of the term.

Clarke's Commentary has this note on the term:

As the Jews term Jehovah
בכורו של עולם becoro shel olam, the first-born of all the world, or of all the creation, to signify his having created or produced all things; (see Wolfius in loc.) so Christ is here termed, and the words which follow in the 16th and 17th verses are the proof of this. The phraseology is Jewish; and as they apply it to the supreme Being merely to denote his eternal pre-existence, and to point him out as the cause of all things; it is most evident that St. Paul uses it in the same way, and illustrates his meaning in the following words, which would be absolutely absurd if we could suppose that by the former he intended to convey any idea of the inferiority of Jesus Christ.

Putting this another way, the "first born of every creature" is a term applying to Jehovah, not a contradiction that Jesus created all things, and certainly not a statement that he is anyone but our God. It's a Jewish term, and thus should be interpreted.
...using a Trinity lense and others explanations as opposed to what is plainly stated?



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popsthebuilder

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I was "indoctrinated" by the Holy Spirit in the winter of 1973, when I heard the Gospel of Salvation. It was reading the verse from John 1:1 that sealed the deal.
So....to you man had no part in the writing of the Bible or the editing there of?

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marhig

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You just ignored all the scriptures that say the Lord is the Spirit.

You just ignored the scriptures completely.

I gave you scriptures that plainly say the Spirit is the Spirit of God and that it is the Lord Jesus Christ.



It is good to add to your faith knowledge. Knowledge brings peace. How can one ignore the scriptures? God the Father came as a Son of Man in the flesh.

No the Spirit of God came in the son of man not as the son of man, can you show me the scripture that says that God the father came AS the son of man is flesh please (written like that) thanks.

And what do you think this means

Hebrews 1

Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
 

marhig

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I think you need to go read Romans again. Then read it again. And again, until you understand clearly what it says about salvation and sin.



Here is your correction:

God (the Father) sent His Son (God the Son) to pay for the penalty of sin, which is death, so that He could redeem His creation to Him, because humanity had broken His righteous standard. Did you notice that all of the sacrificial offerings that were required for the atonement of breaking the law were all blood sacrifices? That's because only blood/death will suffice as payment for sin. However, those sacrifices weren't enough payment for the sin of all men, only for that person's/group's. The only one who's death would have enough value to atone for all mankind's sin is God Himself. That's why Christ (God the Son) was sent, so that God Himself could pay the price for man's sin, and not only that, but if that's not the greatest act of love, for one to lay down his life for another, I don't know what is.

I've read Romans many times, and if we carry on sinning then it clearly says in Romans 1 that God turns is over to our reprobate minds. God hates sin, and loves righteousness, when we know him and purposely carry on sinning and putting ourselves before God, then we can't expect God just to be ok with that.

Have you heard what you are saying? God himself came to be scourged, beaten and crucified by wicked men and for what? To save us from his own wrath? That's not in the Bible! Why would he need to do that? It doesn't make sense!

Can you show me the verse that says Jesus was crucified to save us from the wrath of God? Thanks

The act of love is that God loved us so much that he showed mercy to us in sending his son who who knew no sin, into this sinful flesh, yet he didn't sin, he was only in the likeness of sinful flesh because he walked perfect before God denying himself and being sin free, he sacrificed his whole life, becoming a living sacrifice, to show us how to live before God. Being a perfect example, he preached the gospel and lived the way before us to show us a new and living way to live to please God. And to reconcile us to the father, if we believe and repent and are willing to live by the will of God. And the only way is through Christ Jesus. We are saved through faith by the grace of God. Reconciled through the ministry of reconciliation (the gospel)


We are saved from the wrath of God through Christ, meaning by believing in him, repenting and following him and turning from the flesh to do the will of God, then God is no longer angry with us and he will strengthen us through Christ by the power of the Spirit.

And before you say that I'm speaking of my own works, no I'm not, because none of this is possible without God's grace, without Christ and without the power of the Holy Spirit. I know that without God I'd still be dead in my sins and oblivious to him, loving my flesh and this world. In his mercy he has blessed me to know him through his son, and I never want to be without him again. Nothing in this world compares to the love of God. It's all vanity, from the ways of it, to the building up in it, all done to glorify our flesh. Christ takes us out of this world and we then glorify God in our lives by the power of the Spirit, and we then worship the father in Spirit and in truth. I love this new and living way. I've never ever felt peace like it. This world means nothing to me, God is everything he comes first in my life, and I know he's saving me every day and helping me to overcome.

I was at the beach the other day, and I was watching some wind surfers, and I thought that without the wind, they would by pulled under and they could drown. And I thought this is like the Holy Spirit, he stops us from sinking and being pulled back into the world and drowning in the ways of it. He keeps us above it and keeps us live, just like the wind was doing for those who were surfing. Without God and Christ we are nothing.
 

God's Truth

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No the Spirit of God came in the son of man not as the son of man,
Jesus' Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father.

All humans have spirits, and Jesus Spirit is the Spirit of the Father.
can you show me the scripture that says that God the father came AS the son of man is flesh please (written like that) thanks.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

And what do you think this means

Hebrews 1

Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

That is about angels.

Now tell me why you won't believe the scriptures that say the Lord is the Spirit?
 

marhig

Well-known member
No, that isn't antichrist.

Nor is it anything I see anyone teaching. :baby:

I believe they do, many say that they are saved no matter what they do wrong before God. And that God doesn't see their sin and that all sin is forgiven including future sins, this is not the truth.

Yes he does see our sins, and we are judged on whatsoever we do, whether it be good or bad. And we are forgiven if we truly repent, and as we forgive others in our daily lives God forgives us. We are not just forgiven and then that's it. We are to turn from sin once we know God and then live to please and glorify him.
 
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