glorydaz
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There is only one God....the Father, Son (Word), and the Holy Spirit.
Your human reasoning will never bring you to the knowledge of the Truth. NEVER.
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There is only one God....the Father, Son (Word), and the Holy Spirit.
Your human reasoning will never bring you to the knowledge of the Truth. NEVER.
God's Truth
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What don't you get that Jesus' word are LIFE?
You can believe all you want and not have life.
You have to obey.
lifeisgood
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When you enter into HIS REST you will understand, but if you continue to stubbornly say that you OBEY ALL of Jesus' commandments, you will never understand, for you, gt, CANNOT obey not even ONE of Jesus' commandments TO BE SAVED or TO REMAIN SAVED. Never and it is a shame.
glorydaz
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Have you flipped your beanie, Pops? :rotfl:
popsthebuilder
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You are very very confused about me, among other thing
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God's Truth
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Jesus says not to murder.
I believe that yet I still murder.
What good is believing?
I believe that yet I still murder.
What good is believing?
glorydaz
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That's a silly thing to say. I can read what you've written. If you know something I don't, you'd best correct what you have written....for your words give you away.
lifeisgood
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You are unbelievable saying you have NEVER read gt saying that she OBEYS ALL of Jesus' commandments.
glorydaz
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Those are words only a false believer can utter. :e4e:
God's Truth
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So you are not angry with me for preaching we have to obey to get saved. You are angry at me for preaching to obey Jesus period.
You have to know that is not normal or right by any sense of the word.
Only Satan would be behind the teaching of condemnation to those who obey.
Rosenritter
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God himself is sometimes called an angel, because angel can also be applied to a being of spirit regardless of person.
Interesting as an example, but irrelevant overall.
Not ignored. Rather, you ignored the answer and context. Moses say a physical form of God, who spoke with him face to face. Moses then asks to see God's face in a different sense, and although this is denied, God does allow him to see him his spiritual form of power in a subdued sense. Even by that measure, that contradicts your "Man cannot see God and live" contention.
Your forced interpretation of dis-joining a passage from itself into a broken unrelated mess is counter to the obvious intent of the speaker. Why would Job start to speak about his Redeemer, and then suddenly switch to a different person that he is going to see?
More divorcing the text from its context? Are you sure you want that scripture shown?
1 Timothy 6:13-16 KJV
(13) I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
(14) That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(15) Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
(16) Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
I acknowledge that the passage is about God, but the text explicitly states that this is referring to our Lord Jesus Christ. The King of kings, and Lord of lords. Are you confused about who this is?
Revelation 17:14 KJV
(14) These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Revelation 19:13-16 KJV
(13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
(14) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
(15) And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
(16) And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
God = Lord Jesus Christ = King of kings, and Lord of lords = the Lamb = The Word of God
Isn't it amazing how all these different places of the bible keep converging back on that one bit? Back in agreement with the first chapter of the gospel of John. It's almost like the whole collection of holy books has an agenda!
Ah, to answer your question, IF (and only if) we assume that the Lord Jesus Christ is God, then it says that no man has ever seen nor can see God. If you keep insisting that these are not one and the same, then no, it does not say that no man has ever seen God, and it only says that no man has ever seen the Lord Jesus Christ.
The former choice of acknowledging the clear message of this passage (and dozens of others) of recognizing our Lord as God and Savior does allow for God to be both seen (in visible form) and unable to be seen (in full and true spiritual form and power) by those who are as of yet corruptible and not yet been changed.
May I make a whimsical prediction? As a JW, you will not ever give up that "Jesus is not God" no matter what it says. So 1 Timothy will become a statement that no man has ever seen or ever will see the true form of Jesus Christ. After all, you may acknowledge that he came as a man, but you allow for him to have a spiritual form which predated the incarnation.
God's Truth
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HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!
Okay then, now we can get deeper. Tell me, what made the difference between a false believer and a true believer? LOLLOLLOL
You have been caught in your craftiness.
According to you, the false believe did NOT obey.
lifeisgood
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Continue to believe Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary, which is what brings the Holy Spirit to guide you.
I know you will reject Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary to SAVE YOU and TO KEEP YOU SAVED.
popsthebuilder
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So you really think the deciding factor to all souls spending eternity in torture beyond imagination is based on if they "believe" Jesus of Nazareth was the eternal GOD in the flesh who killed himself as a payment for himself so you could continue in knowing sin?
It has nothing to do with ones actions, motives, intent, or deed? Just believe Jesus is the eternal GOD even though He expressly said otherwise.
Yeah, you're right on track.
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lifeisgood
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Until you enter into HIS REST, you will always be bringing your own salvation, which has been already rejected.
popsthebuilder
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No; it would have to say such in order to substantiate your claim.
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God's Truth
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Give the scripture where Jesus commands all to do that.
You can't give that scripture because it doesn't exist, but you don't care about the truth.
God's Truth
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It is not good to click on links.
Many try to give virus' that way.
Not saying that is what you are doing though.
popsthebuilder
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I can't help your bias and preconceptions; all I can do is explain to the best of my ability.
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lifeisgood
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I am not mad at you gt. I am concerned that you are preaching that you must ADD your obedience, which is impossible, to Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary.
Until you enter into HIS REST, you will not understand what HE DID and NOT you.