The Trinity

[God's Truth]

Pretty sure Jesus trumps St. Paul.

Not that they don't teach the same thing.

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Hahahaha I love it.

 

[God's Truth]

Since you are without a clue.

We aren't to make a show of praying or do it for the sight of man.

And prayer is work, which you claim none are to do. It is based on belief which you consider ineffectual.



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So good to see you.

 

[glorydaz]

Repent of anything you do wrong.

Think about it more.

Great....repent of your belief that you can in any way earn your salvation through your obedience. :thumb:

 

[glorydaz]

God tells us to pray in private and you change what He says.

Paul says to pray without ceasing. Bye bye :wave:

Does that mean pray aloud all the time?

That means if you are correct, then you need to be IN PRIVATE to pray without ceasing.

Please obey what you claim we are told to do.

 

[popsthebuilder]

That means if you are correct, then you need to be IN PRIVATE to pray without ceasing.

Please obey what you claim we are told to do.

Soooo.....you can't pray silently?

Does GOD know not what His need?

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[popsthebuilder]

I was just wondering if any had any thoughts on Numbers: 23. 19., or if they chose to ignore it, or perhaps didn't see it.

It, with the deductions one can make from it seem to actually refute the Trinity doctrine biblically.
peace

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[glorydaz]

Soooo.....you can't pray silently?

Does GOD know not what His need?

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I guess it went over your head, too, Pops. GT insisted we are to pray silently in our prayer closet. But Paul says to pray without ceasing. If a person were to pray without ceasing, they would need to stay in their prayer closet in order to comply with God's UNtruths teaching. Which only goes to show the main problem with law keepers. They condemn themselves without having to lift a finger.

And you join her in this ignorance? Sorry, but I pity the both of you in not being able to admit your errors.

 

[glorydaz]

I was just wondering if any had any thoughts on Numbers: 23. 19., or if they chose to ignore it, or perhaps didn't see it.

It, with the deductions one can make from it seem to actually refute the Trinity doctrine biblically.
peace

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Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I guess it went over your head, too, Pops. GT insisted we are to pray silently in our prayer closet. But Paul says to pray without ceasing. If a person were to pray without ceasing, they would need to stay in their prayer closet in order to comply with God's UNtruths teaching. Which only goes to show the main problem with law keepers. They condemn themselves without having to lift a finger.

And you join her in this ignorance? Sorry, but I pity the both of you in not being able to admit your errors.

Over my head... Answer this simple straight forward question;
Can you pray silently to GOD?

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[popsthebuilder]

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Good... Also showing begotten nature of the Christ.

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[Lon]

I was just wondering if any had any thoughts on Numbers: 23. 19., or if they chose to ignore it, or perhaps didn't see it.

It, with the deductions one can make from it seem to actually refute the Trinity doctrine biblically.
peace

Do most of you have or have had contact with JW's? I don't believe a Unitarian view intuitive. I always read scripture understanding the Lord Jesus to be God. John 1:1 and John 20:8 are among the most compelling. Before anyone told me of the Johanneum comma wasn't in early manuscripts (not that such makes a difference in and of itself), it too read that there was only one God and somehow Father,Son, and Spirit is/are Him. It seems to me, it is NOT up for a vote. We don't get to decide what 'kind' of God we serve. It seems He gets to dictate that to us. Most of the time, and certainly on TOL, it is the Unitarian who makes it a big deal. "Outsiders" and dissenters tend to rock the boat. If I were convinced the Triune view were wrong, I'd go about this a totally different way and absolutely not on the limited front of forums. I'd study it out, go get my language degrees, and write a book and seek the lecture circuit in well-known churches. To date? Never happened. It makes a non-Trinitarian suspicious at the least, imho. Cults aren't interested in but subversion though. Trying to go the front door? I've not seen it, mostly stuff like here, back door lock-picking and such. This house hasn't many locked doors, but it is still done in such a way that we have hundreds of these threads every couple of years. -Lon

 

[7Spirits]

Over my head... Answer this simple straight forward question;
Can you pray silently to GOD?

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Did Jesus?

John 12:28 "Father glorify your name.” Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.

And about your misunderstanding of a verse in Numbers,

Good point. Only you've actually proven the Trinity Doctrine, since this quote occurs before is fulfilled.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel

God has now been with us and God Himself showed the disciples that He is in physical form.

Luke 24:37*They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38*He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39*Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

40*When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41*And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42*They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43*and he took it and ate it in their presence.​

And, while He was with us in physical form, He agreed with your Numbers 23:19 quote.

John 14:6*Jesus answered, "I AM the way and the TRUTH and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."​

He called Himself the TRUTH. That is as far from one who lies as possible.

You trade your Mediation of God (1 Tim. 2:5) for your own self declaration of righteousness that you strive for. You deny God's complete strife for you and set up your own efforts as superior to God's.

[MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION] sides with Pops, who clearly spits on the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

All is made clear in what is written for the last many pages. The self glorifying spit on the glory of The Father, Who is The Son.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Did Jesus?

John 12:28 "Father glorify your name.” Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.

And about your misunderstanding of a verse in Numbers,

Good point. Only you've actually proven the Trinity Doctrine, since this quote occurs before is fulfilled.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel

God has now been with us and God Himself showed the disciples that He is in physical form.

Luke 24:37*They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38*He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39*Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

40*When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41*And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42*They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43*and he took it and ate it in their presence.​

And, while He was with us in physical form, He agreed with your Numbers 23:19 quote.

John 14:6*Jesus answered, "I AM the way and the TRUTH and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."​

He called Himself the TRUTH. That is as far from one who lies as possible.

You trade your Mediation of God (1 Tim. 2:5) for your own self declaration of righteousness that you strive for. You deny God's complete strife for you and set up your own efforts as superior to God's.

[MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION] sides with Pops, who clearly spits on the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

All is made clear in what is written for the last many pages. The self glorifying spit on the glory of The Father, Who is The Son.

I spit on no thing and take great offence to your words. Christ is GOD is the Holy Spirit.

That doesn't mean the begotten and material was the fullness there of.

To think otherwise is to allow for the potential for very great attrocities against mankind and creation in general.



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[popsthebuilder]

Did Jesus?

John 12:28 "Father glorify your name.” Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.

And about your misunderstanding of a verse in Numbers,

Good point. Only you've actually proven the Trinity Doctrine, since this quote occurs before is fulfilled.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel

God has now been with us and God Himself showed the disciples that He is in physical form.

Luke 24:37*They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38*He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39*Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

40*When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41*And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42*They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43*and he took it and ate it in their presence.​

And, while He was with us in physical form, He agreed with your Numbers 23:19 quote.

John 14:6*Jesus answered, "I AM the way and the TRUTH and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."​

He called Himself the TRUTH. That is as far from one who lies as possible.

You trade your Mediation of God (1 Tim. 2:5) for your own self declaration of righteousness that you strive for. You deny God's complete strife for you and set up your own efforts as superior to God's.

[MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION] sides with Pops, who clearly spits on the Divinity of Jesus Christ.

All is made clear in what is written for the last many pages. The self glorifying spit on the glory of The Father, Who is The Son.

Justify your words that I spit on the Jesus the Christ.

I am thankful for your sake that our GOD is merciful.


Who said GOD changed, by the way?

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[7Spirits]

Lies are lies. Your inconsistent speech is marked here.

 

[7Spirits]

Justify your words that I spit on the Jesus the Christ.

I am thankful forbyour sake that our GOD is merciful.


Who said GOD changed, by the way?

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2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people

It says walk. Your error is exposed. Immanuel is God incarnate.

 

[God's Truth]

Great....repent of your belief that you can in any way earn your salvation through your obedience. :thumb:

In my search for God's Truth and not some denomination's truth, there was a time where two different people told me to repent of the false denomination I got into. I am so glad I did not have a hard heart and didn't want to be mean to them.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Do most of you have or have had contact with JW's? I don't believe a Unitarian view intuitive. I always read scripture understanding the Lord Jesus to be God. John 1:1 and John 20:8 are among the most compelling. Before anyone told me of the Johanneum comma wasn't in early manuscripts (not that such makes a difference in and of itself), it too read that there was only one God and somehow Father,Son, and Spirit is/are Him. It seems to me, it is NOT up for a vote. We don't get to decide what 'kind' of God we serve. It seems He gets to dictate that to us. Most of the time, and certainly on TOL, it is the Unitarian who makes it a big deal. "Outsiders" and dissenters tend to rock the boat. If I were convinced the Triune view were wrong, I'd go about this a totally different way and absolutely not on the limited front of forums. I'd study it out, go get my language degrees, and write a book and seek the lecture circuit in well-known churches. To date? Never happened. It makes a non-Trinitarian suspicious at the least, imho. Cults aren't interested in but subversion though. Trying to go the front door? I've not seen it, mostly stuff like here, back door lock-picking and such. This house hasn't many locked doors, but it is still done in such a way that we have hundreds of these threads every couple of years. -Lon

No JW influence whatsoever. In fact; no influence from any man whatsoever.

I believe my grandmother on my mother's side was a Baptist of some sort and a staunch believer in Jesus. Not that we ever discussed it really.

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[Nihilo]

So your motive is to be tough but fair, not to lead the lost sheep to Jesus the Christ? Noted

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What?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Lies are lies. Your inconsistent speech is marked here.

Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it a lie.

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