That's correct. Gt is also an idiot, and dumber than they think they are.
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I don't know what you're talking about. Are you saying that you too believe, like Islam, that the Lord Jesus didn't die on the cross, and so you too don't believe that He is risen? Otherwise I don't know what you're going on about.
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[MENTION=18255]Rosenritter[/MENTION]
I just want to thank you for your conversation with me. It has been a long time since I have had an intelligent conversation that was, well, an actual conversation. I will reply to your last post tomorrow when I have the time, until then....
God Bless
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I just want to thank you for your conversation with me. It has been a long time since I have had an intelligent conversation that was, well, an actual conversation. I will reply to your last post tomorrow when I have the time, until then....
God Bless
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God's Truth
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Can you stop yourself?
There is something wrong with a person who thinks they can do what you do.
God's Truth
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Can you control yourself?
popsthebuilder
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Some may deny believing is doing.
Some may deny our freedom to turn from sin, and back to it.
Some may deny that GOD is Spirit and cannot and will not ever die.
Some may deny that though the Christ spoke of dividing, He really preached thankful unity of man in faithfulness to GOD alone.
Some may think the mortal man Jesus was literally the utter fullness of GOD as a human.
This segment of scripture addresses all said issues if any care to read with discernment and not presupposition and bias.
Hebrews: 3. 17. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.4. 1. Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
A priest leads one to GOD, not to themselves; even the High Priest.
peace
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Some may deny our freedom to turn from sin, and back to it.
Some may deny that GOD is Spirit and cannot and will not ever die.
Some may deny that though the Christ spoke of dividing, He really preached thankful unity of man in faithfulness to GOD alone.
Some may think the mortal man Jesus was literally the utter fullness of GOD as a human.
This segment of scripture addresses all said issues if any care to read with discernment and not presupposition and bias.
Hebrews: 3. 17. But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.4. 1. Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
A priest leads one to GOD, not to themselves; even the High Priest.
peace
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popsthebuilder
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What?
Uhm.... Each and every one of us is of the twelve tribes.
No jew/ no gentile; ring any bells?
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Are you a Jew? No. Are you a gentile? I would guess yes. In the Body of Christ there is no difference.
But the Nation of Israel is only comprised of Jews.
See what happens when you don't rightly divide?
Abraham is the father of many peoples, but more specifically, he's the father of two promises, one of faith, and one of works. I am of the seed of Abraham, not of works, through the flesh, as is represented in Genesis 17, but of faith, through the spirit, as represented in Genesis 15.
popsthebuilder
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That is a lie, hopefully one made unintentionally.
Israel knowingly went against GOD.
They asked for GOD in the form of a king(man) and they received it, though the majority did not accept it.
The Messiah was manifest for the sake of man, for their guidance, and not for man to hear of Him, claim to believe Him, yet continue as if they never knew him... Oh wait.... He said that too.
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It says in scripture that He gave up the Ghost, and the veil of the temple was wrent in twain which I understand to mean torn in two. So do I think the physical body of Jesus died? Yes. Do I think the Spirit that dwelled in Him and utterly filled Him died? No.
What i was going on about is that the second coming of Christ could too be seen as the resurrection of Christ.
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marhig
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Hiya, what do you see as the work and the finished work of Jesus Christ? Thanks
Many trees that are rotten, bare the same fruit as the first rotten tree, i.e. "you can go against God, and you shall not surely die." GT certainly doesn't believe in going against God but living by his will. And although I don't agree with everything GT says, if she is living by the will of God in her heart and life, then Jesus said that those who do so are they that enter into the kingdom of heaven. So be careful who you judge, God gives those who belong to him understanding gradually, progressive revelation, and we are given what we need, when we need it, in God's time, and not before, and be careful of how you judge as in who is an insider and who is an outsider, some you see as insiders could have a wrong heart before God. Only God knows who is truly his, and I've heard some here say far worse things than GT. To believe that we are to obey God isn't rotten fruit, it's the truth!
From the smallest flower to the greatest tree, all who belong in the garden, glorify the creator and show his beauty. Some more than others. Some are still young and growing some are at their full bloom and all are kept alive by breath, water and light.
But some look beautiful and are weeds, and many try to kill the flowers, and those who are weeds try to put to death the truth, by going against the will of God who love this world before him, and live by the will of the flesh and encourage others to do the same.
marhig
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I agree,
But I also see the resurrection as not only in those 40 days, but in him being raised in the hearts of those who belong to him, by the power of the Spirit so that we are raised with him, we are brought from death to life through Christ by the power of God. Christ is back in Spirit in his people, he's already here! And he came back in that generation as he promised that he would, and in every generation since, through those who belong to his body, the true church of God.
Rosenritter
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Ah, I get it. Careful, you might make a few MADs even madder.
Clearly!
popsthebuilder
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That user account is an inanimate thing, not capable of any level of intellect. Each account refers to, and is controlled by a person. You shouldn't call them dumb. It isn't so odd how many deny even the simplest of commands, or their validity. It seems to generally be those same ones that think Jesus the Christ came and taught and performed miracles and sacrificed himself so they could continue in knowing sin as if He did nothing for them.
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