The Trinity
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God's Truth
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Luke 6:46 "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
lifeisgood
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Yes it is.
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Have you approved of the denomination the translator came from? Are you sure that is what the original said?
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Faith = Salvation
Works = No Salvation
Look GT...
Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
Lets see that in lights!!!
lifeisgood
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What if they were like us "disgusting" "faith alone" types?
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Romans 10:3 For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness.
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Oh Darn! I did it now. GT logged off. Mean old EE will log off for now.
GT... where are you GT? :idunno:
Love, Grace, Peace and All of His blessings to All of you. Have a safe and happy fourth!
[MENTION=6696]Lon[/MENTION] ... I haven't seen you around much, but I haven't been on much, so ... just saying... happy fourth.
GT... where are you GT? :idunno:
Love, Grace, Peace and All of His blessings to All of you. Have a safe and happy fourth!
[MENTION=6696]Lon[/MENTION] ... I haven't seen you around much, but I haven't been on much, so ... just saying... happy fourth.
popsthebuilder
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I've already explained my own position and that it doesn't wholly corroborate with the extended explanation given in additional texts I provided previously in error.
Even if the Quran went against scripture(it doesn't, none can kill the Spirit of GOD), it refers repeatedly to the second coming of Jesus. It denies that the false Jew killed the anointed of GOD.
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popsthebuilder
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They understand that GOD alone can kill ones spirit. Especially the Christ of GOD.
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Veritas veritate
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What I am saying is that God is the only one who can create anything, but he cannot create another perfect being. Everything that exists only does so because God created and sustains it with his very existence. Our existence is contingent upon his, which means that our contingent existence is analogous with his perfect existence; therefore our existence must be encompassed by his. This can be seen through his omnipresence. God exist at every point in time, in every place in time, all at the same time. He encompasses everything. The logic trap only exists for the one who is trying to prove that there could be more than one perfect being.
I commend you for this, many people try to use this passage to prove the "more than one perfect being stance". I am glad to see that you actually pay attention to the context of the passage. I does indeed mean perfect in love, and that is because of the contextual parameters set within the passage. When we talk about the perfection of God, we set the parameters of perfect using his character, and nature. Perhaps it would be easier to comprehend by stating that the word "perfect" could be removed and replaced with the full meaning of the word "eternal". Eternal does not only mean always was, always is, and always will be; in fact, "eternal," in the fullest sense of the word, encompasses every attribute that God is. This means that omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, immutability, and perfection are all part of what it is to be eternal.
Therefore, the concept that anyone other than God can ever be eternal is just plain false. If something has a beginning, it can never be or become eternal. It can put on immortality, but it cannot become eternal. This is the problem with most Trinitarian doctrines, and also any doctrine that teaches that we will somehow be granted either eternal life or eternal punishment. If we could obtain eternal life, we would become God. But hey, that is the end goal of most humanistic man made doctrines, is it not?
God's Truth
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Jesus tells how.
God's Truth
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Do you really think you could scare me off from speaking God's Truth?
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The Jews wanted to keep establishing their own righteousness. They didn't believe that Jesus' blood cleans them, they wanted to keep sacrificing animals and doing the other purification/ceremonial works.
Veritas veritate
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[MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION]
As far as salvation goes, it is simply breathing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We breathe in the Gospel through faith; and we breathe out the Gospel through good works and obedience: but, it is God who gave the life, through the finished work of Jesus Christ, by which we are able to breathe.
James is saying this, that faith will never be alone. Salvation is by faith alone, but good works and obedience will always go with it.
In other words, saving faith will always produce good works and obedience. It is not enough to simply claim that you believe, there will always be good works and obedience that prove, and show as evidence that the faith you claim is saving faith. Moreover, the good works and obedience that accompany saving faith will always be wrought from love and not from a self-advancing motivation.
To claim that we need to obey to be saved or keep our salvation is to claim that sin is greater and more powerful than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. May it never be.
As far as salvation goes, it is simply breathing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We breathe in the Gospel through faith; and we breathe out the Gospel through good works and obedience: but, it is God who gave the life, through the finished work of Jesus Christ, by which we are able to breathe.
James is saying this, that faith will never be alone. Salvation is by faith alone, but good works and obedience will always go with it.
In other words, saving faith will always produce good works and obedience. It is not enough to simply claim that you believe, there will always be good works and obedience that prove, and show as evidence that the faith you claim is saving faith. Moreover, the good works and obedience that accompany saving faith will always be wrought from love and not from a self-advancing motivation.
To claim that we need to obey to be saved or keep our salvation is to claim that sin is greater and more powerful than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. May it never be.
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David was prophesying about a time when no will have to do these works of the law:
The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.
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I do not go by anything that is not proven in the written Word. Would you mind giving the scripture that says what you did about breathing?
You just contradicted yourself.
Just believe what is plainly written. James says clearly that FAITH ALONE IS DEAD and it CANNOT save ANYONE.
People are so afraid to say we have to obey that they twist up all the scriptures and speak nonsense. They do not even see what is written. They do not even have common sense.
That dead faith that you have fallen for, it is not the most important faith ever known, it is not saving faith, it is dead.
Rosenritter
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The only place I saw such a reference was in your own post, where you seemed to have omitted an "if" as in what obviously was meant to say, "IF I commit adulterly..."
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So your mind goes that way too? Who would defend such a thing?
Rosenritter
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This back and forth argument has gone on for weeks without any sign of resolution. Would it be too much to ask for the parties to attempt to understand the other?
1 Timothy 1:8-9 KJV
(8) But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
(9) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
Presumably everyone here wants to serve God. God does not despise obedience, and if we love God we will do our best to be obedient. If you understand the nature of grace, or the law of love, does that not also extend into "Love your Neighbor" and the like?