The Trinity

[Saxon Hammer]

Thanks for the response.

You seem to be saying that you came to a conclusion of GOD(One Creator GOD of All existence) after some time in atheism. Is this correct?

Sorry to chop your post up ...... Yes I was an un-believer/non-believer get my drift. However I cannot deny 'spiritual connectedness' between individuals.

What do you mean "to the exclusion of others"?

I have read many bible passages and was taught many moral stories as a child before I became BURIED under the life I lead from that point on. I have also read some about buddha and many other religions both in practice today and of old. I have read a great deal of different topics that link to social and personal responsibilities and understand the reasons for the Bible hence my belief the the 'spirit' of God has been maintained. However the words are of the priests of the various times that the 'evidence' of 'the one true God' has been written.

I find that a great many people are actually somewhat spiritual, and even agree about a spiritual connectedness between all life. I would be slightly wary of any who didn't. Nihilism is a poison.

All people have 'spirit' otherwise they are on 'life support' thought to be a vegetable. This is in the image of 'God' however it lives in an animal that has developed a rational brain. People need to acknowledge the link between their spirit and 'God' while also noting that as individuals they are NOT 'God'.

To say your spirit is aligned with the spirit of animals is to say you are running on instinct mostly. Is that correct?

NO - I said that 'spirit' inhabits our animals and yes that is also the 'spirit' of 'God'. HOWEVER it does not have a rational brain and is therefore innocent of sin.

Negativity, and aggression from another can happen for any number of reasons; all of which emanate from fear, pride, or greed. That doesn't mean that everything does not happen for a reason. Yes; double negative, as in; positive.

Yes I am very well acquainted with 'negativity, and aggression from another' and of their causes. I agree that my entire life has lead to this very moment of writing this post. I would not change the journey because I am starting to become confident in my faith in 'God' and that this is the path I SHOULD walk right this very minute.

If the marriage was in a church that you weren't an active believing member of then I personally don't see any issue(please excuse my little opinion( I felt compelled since I read about it I guess. I wouldn't claim to know the sight of GOD, and most assuredly would personally not divide GOD needlessly. (You mentioned "Christian God".)))

Thank you from freeing me from that misunderstanding in myself. As a non-believer (even doubter) I was not doing it for God - However I accepted the 'Christian' God of my wifes faith added strength of HER vow.

Love still is a very different thing for me to change so that remains.

As far as all being taken, or rather, lost on your part; it has too been my personal experience that one must be brought very low before they submit and hope and genuinely plead to GOD for help. As cheesy as it may sound to some; I believe one must fall to rise, one must crawl before they can walk, and like a phoenix; those brought low, eager for death, are those born anew and raised up to soar and shine as a beacon of the light of GOD.

It is likely that I have been depressed ALL my life since the days of my Sunday School. The biggest blow is the loss of faith of all around me as I change and adjust after my particular version of being 'brought low'

Here in a discussion about the trinity may or may not be the best place for this, but; though many may think there is great division among the religious(of the world) their is actually an observable accord and harmony. Christ is spoken of in many texts, not as a reference to man alone, but to a spiritual state that comes about through a process.

I agree and the current Pope of Rome has 'fortified' my certainty in the 'TED Talks' topic/thread I posted some weeks back.

You speak of a Spirit divided by 7 billion, you should be speaking of a singular Spirit. There is only One. It is without change or variable and does not differ between men based on their own wants or bias. Indeed the change and peace and flourishment of a singular accord wholly reciprocating the benelevent characteristics of GOD in thanksgiving and the glorying of GOD would be nothing less of miraculous friend.

So my friend - I did not speak of a single spirit but a connected individuality, connected to 'God' and 'holy spirit' of our own that can 'hear' God. Whether they listen or not is between them and 'God', however life on earth will become the hell that 'Christians' are worried about. The 'End of Days' as some refer to it.

A Trinity is only three friend and is only an attempt at an explanation by man(creation).

When I attempt to rationalize the perspective of the Trinity against what I know by the faith mercifully given to me by GOD, it looks like:

FATHER : One Creator GOD

Holy Spirit: other/ different spirit apart from self and the wants of self (GOD as observable and witnessed within one's own life(also the working and inclinations of the selfless conscience, but in no way limited to such.))

Son: man that actually follows the inclinations of the Holy Spirit to the glorying of GOD alone. (indeed the Christ showed the exact path though so very few can see it through the haze and misguidance of the "church" past).

Understand that the Christ, the second coming, is not a reference to Jesus of Nazareth reappearing in some secret place, but it is the indwelling of the Spirit of GOD(that same One that overflowed through Jesus the Christ and firstfruit.)

This is the ministry of God, all around and within us. Of course there is only one 'God' and all share a connection to 'God' and therefore each other via that mechanism. 'God' is all around so that is why we 'feel' 'spiritual pain' of 'others' - (If we take 'ourselves' OUT of the equation).

Holy spirit - Disagree with you - My spirit connected to God. The part of us in 'Gods form'.
Son - any man or woman - otherwise I agree fully.

'Understand that the Christ, the second coming' - understand this 'Christ' will rise again according to 'Christianity' but right now everybody is looking at the old one not for the one to come and that person might be missed under the 'haze and misguidance of the "church" past'. As the church of 'Christ' is 2000 years old (or there abouts).

I like your take on our purpose or function and would pretty much agree though perhaps word it differently.

Thank you I am looking at this 'function' expression as the will of 'God' given that we are granted free will.

You say rational thinking lead you here and I realize that you may be crediting your rationale to GOD which is good, or may be equating it to GOD which I would have to disagree with. Surely humility isn't lost on one so betrotten at one point.

Sir - I confess to a life of 50+ years - more than 40 of them I have been both ill and lost to the sight of 'God'. That has been my 'Hell' on earth - finally I faced my greatest fear - of being worthless.

I am worthless, I have no good works to show for my life. However my 'spirit' persisted until the day I could find out........... Now I am in the light and am writing my words because I am driven. I do not choose to write a particular thing UNTIL I respond to another person about the subject like I am right now.

I too find it rather difficult to articulate my intended meaning at times.

Sorry this split a paragraph ....
It is really difficult when we know so little of each other too (or the other members that are reading/writing)

It's those times that I would hope that I can recall that my own meaning is irrelevant, but the guidance of the Lord is priceless.

Yes the guidance of Jesus (the man) is very important - BUT he spoke in the voice of the time to the people of the time. The 'Christian' revolution has lead to the societies of the western world (largely).

Thanks for taking the time to explain the deleted post.

I hope we can speak more, and continue in some level of civility.

peace

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[/QUOTE]

Thank you so very much for this chance to write, sorry about my nervousness at your original question (we are where we are - on this site).

All the best to you and yours, Sax

 

[Saxon Hammer]

You are the one judging.

You are the one speaking against the written Word of God.

No the written word of man - I said it time and time again - other mens words carrying the 'spirit' of 'God'.

You do not know the language of peace therefore you could not know that 'God' does not need you to fight with me about a book.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Sorry to chop your post up ...... Yes I was an un-believer/non-believer get my drift. However I cannot deny 'spiritual connectedness' between individuals.



I have read many bible passages and was taught many moral stories as a child before I became BURIED under the life I lead from that point on. I have also read some about buddha and many other religions both in practice today and of old. I have read a great deal of different topics that link to social and personal responsibilities and understand the reasons for the Bible hence my belief the the 'spirit' of God has been maintained. However the words are of the priests of the various times that the 'evidence' of 'the one true God' has been written.



All people have 'spirit' otherwise they are on 'life support' thought to be a vegetable. This is in the image of 'God' however it lives in an animal that has developed a rational brain. People need to acknowledge the link between their spirit and 'God' while also noting that as individuals they are NOT 'God'.



NO - I said that 'spirit' inhabits our animals and yes that is also the 'spirit' of 'God'. HOWEVER it does not have a rational brain and is therefore innocent of sin.



Yes I am very well acquainted with 'negativity, and aggression from another' and of their causes. I agree that my entire life has lead to this very moment of writing this post. I would not change the journey because I am starting to become confident in my faith in 'God' and that this is the path I SHOULD walk right this very minute.



Thank you from freeing me from that misunderstanding in myself. As a non-believer (even doubter) I was not doing it for God - However I accepted the 'Christian' God of my wifes faith added strength of HER vow.

Love still is a very different thing for me to change so that remains.



It is likely that I have been depressed ALL my life since the days of my Sunday School. The biggest blow is the loss of faith of all around me as I change and adjust after my particular version of being 'brought low'



I agree and the current Pope of Rome has 'fortified' my certainty in the 'TED Talks' topic/thread I posted some weeks back.



So my friend - I did not speak of a single spirit but a connected individuality, connected to 'God' and 'holy spirit' of our own that can 'hear' God. Whether they listen or not is between them and 'God', however life on earth will become the hell that 'Christians' are worried about. The 'End of Days' as some refer to it.



This is the ministry of God, all around and within us. Of course there is only one 'God' and all share a connection to 'God' and therefore each other via that mechanism. 'God' is all around so that is why we 'feel' 'spiritual pain' of 'others' - (If we take 'ourselves' OUT of the equation).

Holy spirit - Disagree with you - My spirit connected to God. The part of us in 'Gods form'.
Son - any man or woman - otherwise I agree fully.

'Understand that the Christ, the second coming' - understand this 'Christ' will rise again according to 'Christianity' but right now everybody is looking at the old one not for the one to come and that person might be missed under the 'haze and misguidance of the "church" past'. As the church of 'Christ' is 2000 years old (or there abouts).



Thank you I am looking at this 'function' expression as the will of 'God' given that we are granted free will.



Sir - I confess to a life of 50+ years - more than 40 of them I have been both ill and lost to the sight of 'God'. That has been my 'Hell' on earth - finally I faced my greatest fear - of being worthless.

I am worthless, I have no good works to show for my life. However my 'spirit' persisted until the day I could find out........... Now I am in the light and am writing my words because I am driven. I do not choose to write a particular thing UNTIL I respond to another person about the subject like I am right now.



Sorry this split a paragraph ....
It is really difficult when we know so little of each other too (or the other members that are reading/writing)



Yes the guidance of Jesus (the man) is very important - BUT he spoke in the voice of the time to the people of the time. The 'Christian' revolution has lead to the societies of the western world (largely).

Thank you so very much for this chance to write, sorry about my nervousness at your original question (we are where we are - on this site).

All the best to you and yours, Sax[/QUOTE]
With your clarifications I see we are very similar indeed.

Hope very refreshing and reassuring.

Your point on the Holy Spirit if too just seems to be a different way to describe the same thing.

I was rather worried at first about the remarks on the resurrection, but that issue had since subsided.



So many things you say, and the seeming motives behind them are familiar to me.

I look forward to speaking more with you in the future, by the will of GOD.

peace

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[God's Truth]

No the written word of man - I said it time and time again - other mens words carrying the 'spirit' of 'God'.

You do not know the language of peace therefore you could not know that 'God' does not need you to fight with me about a book.

...just more worthless opinions and false judgments about me.

I don't think you can control yourself.

 

[God's Truth]

Sorry to chop your post up ...... Yes I was an un-believer/non-believer get my drift. However I cannot deny 'spiritual connectedness' between individuals.



I have read many bible passages and was taught many moral stories as a child before I became BURIED under the life I lead from that point on. I have also read some about buddha and many other religions both in practice today and of old. I have read a great deal of different topics that link to social and personal responsibilities and understand the reasons for the Bible hence my belief the the 'spirit' of God has been maintained. However the words are of the priests of the various times that the 'evidence' of 'the one true God' has been written.



All people have 'spirit' otherwise they are on 'life support' thought to be a vegetable. This is in the image of 'God' however it lives in an animal that has developed a rational brain. People need to acknowledge the link between their spirit and 'God' while also noting that as individuals they are NOT 'God'.



NO - I said that 'spirit' inhabits our animals and yes that is also the 'spirit' of 'God'. HOWEVER it does not have a rational brain and is therefore innocent of sin.



Yes I am very well acquainted with 'negativity, and aggression from another' and of their causes. I agree that my entire life has lead to this very moment of writing this post. I would not change the journey because I am starting to become confident in my faith in 'God' and that this is the path I SHOULD walk right this very minute.



Thank you from freeing me from that misunderstanding in myself. As a non-believer (even doubter) I was not doing it for God - However I accepted the 'Christian' God of my wifes faith added strength of HER vow.

Love still is a very different thing for me to change so that remains.



It is likely that I have been depressed ALL my life since the days of my Sunday School. The biggest blow is the loss of faith of all around me as I change and adjust after my particular version of being 'brought low'



I agree and the current Pope of Rome has 'fortified' my certainty in the 'TED Talks' topic/thread I posted some weeks back.



So my friend - I did not speak of a single spirit but a connected individuality, connected to 'God' and 'holy spirit' of our own that can 'hear' God. Whether they listen or not is between them and 'God', however life on earth will become the hell that 'Christians' are worried about. The 'End of Days' as some refer to it.



This is the ministry of God, all around and within us. Of course there is only one 'God' and all share a connection to 'God' and therefore each other via that mechanism. 'God' is all around so that is why we 'feel' 'spiritual pain' of 'others' - (If we take 'ourselves' OUT of the equation).

Holy spirit - Disagree with you - My spirit connected to God. The part of us in 'Gods form'.
Son - any man or woman - otherwise I agree fully.

'Understand that the Christ, the second coming' - understand this 'Christ' will rise again according to 'Christianity' but right now everybody is looking at the old one not for the one to come and that person might be missed under the 'haze and misguidance of the "church" past'. As the church of 'Christ' is 2000 years old (or there abouts).



Thank you I am looking at this 'function' expression as the will of 'God' given that we are granted free will.



Sir - I confess to a life of 50+ years - more than 40 of them I have been both ill and lost to the sight of 'God'. That has been my 'Hell' on earth - finally I faced my greatest fear - of being worthless.

I am worthless, I have no good works to show for my life. However my 'spirit' persisted until the day I could find out........... Now I am in the light and am writing my words because I am driven. I do not choose to write a particular thing UNTIL I respond to another person about the subject like I am right now.



Sorry this split a paragraph ....
It is really difficult when we know so little of each other too (or the other members that are reading/writing)



Yes the guidance of Jesus (the man) is very important - BUT he spoke in the voice of the time to the people of the time. The 'Christian' revolution has lead to the societies of the western world (largely).

Thank you so very much for this chance to write, sorry about my nervousness at your original question (we are where we are - on this site).

All the best to you and yours, Sax

All humans and animals have a spirit, their own spirit given to them at conception.
The scriptures say it is God's breath that gives us our spirit.

That is not the Holy Spirit.
People who believe and obey the Son receive the Holy Spirit to live inside them with their own spirit.

You would not know that about the Holy Spirit if you did not have the Holy Bible.

 

[Bright Raven]

Do you really think that you can destroy me with neg reps? Don't you remember when I was always in the red, and yet, I still kept preaching the truth.

Neither can you demoralize me with your silly neg reps.

 

[God's Truth]

Neither can you demoralize me with your silly neg reps.

Demoralize you because I gave you a neg rep?

I gave you that neg rep for saying I didn't know the written word, and for your constant personal attacks.

 

[glorydaz]

...just more worthless opinions and false judgments about me.

I don't think you can control yourself.

It is not always about you, God's UNtruth. :doh:

 

[glorydaz]

Neither can you demoralize me with your silly neg reps.

She's such a poor picked on soul. It's ALL about her.

 

[glorydaz]

I will try to read this later, maybe.

I couldn't care any less what you have to say about me.

:mock: God's UNtruth

 

[glorydaz]

Don't be a cry baby, or worse, a hypocrite. You have had me banned many times.

Yeah, it's always someone else who got you banned. :rotfl:

 

[God's Truth]

There is only one Divine Spirit, and that One Divine Spirit is the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Bright Raven]

Demoralize you because I gave you a neg rep?

I gave you that neg rep for saying I didn't know the written word, and for your constant personal attacks.

You don't. You don't even know who God is ley alone what His written word says.

 

[Tambora]

Beware, God's Truth will give you negative rep for positing the truth.

Thanks for the info.

 

[glorydaz]

There is only one Divine Spirit, and that One Divine Spirit is the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.

What? You've changed your mind again?

Are you sticking to this one?

 

[God's Truth]

What? You've changed your mind again?

Are you sticking to this one?

Prove it that I have changed my mind. Prove it or you will be shown to be telling untruths.

 

[glorydaz]

Prove it that I have changed my mind. Prove it or you will be shown to be telling untruths.

Oh shut up....for once in your life, keep that big foot out of your mouth.

 

[keypurr]

So according to the old heretic keypurr, God is not the LORD.

You are on the outside looking in keypurr.

Define Lord

Define LORD

There is only one true GOD, he Father.


Suggest you look up the words Lord and LORD.

Jesus Christ is the Christ of God.
He is the promised savour.
He is the son of God.
He is a creation, a creature NOT God.

Jesus is our Lord, made so by his and our God.

Deal with it.

 

[Rosenritter]

I will try to read this later, maybe.

I couldn't care any less what you have to say about me.

Because this was too lengthy to read?

Spoiler

Originally Posted by Rosenritter
See here, GT, I didn't actually accuse you of anything. I did indirectly point out that you were being terribly offensive to a lot of people. I doubt that's a false observation. Shall we take a poll?

If you think you aren't being offensive to people, take a look back through your posts during the last twenty-four hours. I tried to indirectly help a few days back with a light joke and you took offense and attacked me as well.

I'm likely one of the few people on this board that comes closest to understanding and/or agreeing with what you mean, but because of your spirit and demeanor, I don't want to be associated with you.

James 3:15-18 KJV
(15) This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
(16) For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
(17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
(18) And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

 

[God's Truth]

Because this was too lengthy to read?

Spoiler

Originally Posted by Rosenritter
See here, GT, I didn't actually accuse you of anything. I did indirectly point out that you were being terribly offensive to a lot of people. I doubt that's a false observation. Shall we take a poll?

If you think you aren't being offensive to people, take a look back through your posts during the last twenty-four hours. I tried to indirectly help a few days back with a light joke and you took offense and attacked me as well.

I'm likely one of the few people on this board that comes closest to understanding and/or agreeing with what you mean, but because of your spirit and demeanor, I don't want to be associated with you.

James 3:15-18 KJV
(15) This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
(16) For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
(17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
(18) And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

I just couldn't care any less what you think of me.