The Trinity

[Saxon Hammer]

Then you go against God.


The written Word of God says that God is a He and a Father.


God only reveals Himself to those who do what He says in those words.

What? You say Jesus made up a story?

God the Almighty knows how to preserve His written Word, and He did.


No, you are wrong. What are you saying? Are you speaking from your own words, or from the written Word of God as written in the Holy Bible?

Jesus is the light.


You are no Jesus.

God reveals Himself to those who obey Him. If you would believe and obey what is written, you would know that.

I bet you believe everything on the news too. Everything your mother and father told you - Even 'christmas' which is a GROSS INDULGENCE in the western word.

Your 'evidence', the bible, carries only the 'spirit' of 'God' not the words. The words are how a person records the evidence of their mind as our language is not that of 'God'.

Therefore you conclusions are based on OTHER peoples words that have been deciphered into your language. Do you know how long ago you bible fir came into print? What revision number do you have? Have you read any other bible? Have you argued with another christian because of a different version of the bible?

Of course I am speaking my own words, I am not a slave to anyone else's word.

 

[Rosenritter]

Revelation 19:6 KJV
(6) And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

While Greek philosophical influence may have influenced people's ideas about the nature of God as being an ultimate force above petty things such as passion, the ability to care about whether his creation loves or rejects him, and so forth, it does say "omnipotent" at least once.

It's not really orthodox. It's more "pagan philosopher."

Plato is the one who originally taught that God's attributes were the omni-s and the im-s.

I challenge you to go through your Bible and highlight every verse where it indicates that God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, immutable, and impassable. Then go through and highlight in a different color all the verses that indicate that God is living, personal, relational, good, and loving.

Anyways, that's not the point of this thread's discussion, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Rosenritter]

How does that, in any way, go against the fact that the Son is not the one making the decision to return, but the Father will?

There may be multiple ways of reading that, but I understand that there wasn't a Father / Son distinction remaining when Jesus reunited with God the Father. The incarnation was a special unique event that necessitated those styles of address.

I realize that this may not be the way everyone sees it, but as your view one way or the other shouldn't have any affect on your faith in Jesus and the blood of his sacrifice, and if one does not engage in biting and devouring the brethren in disagreement about details, that's what's important, right?

 

[Rosenritter]

I would disagree when you say that words are not from God. God can and does choose (at least some) elements of our language.

When God spoke to Adam in the Garden of Eden, did he use words and language? How did Adam speak?

Genesis 2:23 KJV
(23) And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Whatever language Adam was given by God to speak, "woman" was based on "man" and that also carried over into Hebrew, which carried over into English even to this day. God let Adam help form the language by having him name animals, but the basics were provided by him.

One may point out that it is hard to know what that first language is, after the events at Babel (which still means a confusion of sounds) but even then it was God that chose what their new languages would become.

Genesis 11:6-9 KJV
(6) And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
(7) Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
(8) So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
(9) Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

You have a good point that confusion does arise even in competing translations of the Bible, and it is technically possible for anyone to say anything and claim it is a valid translation, but I wouldn't rule out that God can affect our language. If we allow that God has the power to chance or preserve language, and all that remains is motive, then I don't think we should be too quick to say that words are "not that of God."

I bet you believe everything on the news too. Everything your mother and father told you - Even 'christmas' which is a GROSS INDULGENCE in the western word.

Your 'evidence', the bible, carries only the 'spirit' of 'God' not the words. The words are how a person records the evidence of their mind as our language is not that of 'God'.

Therefore you conclusions are based on OTHER peoples words that have been deciphered into your language. Do you know how long ago you bible fir came into print? What revision number do you have? Have you read any other bible? Have you argued with another christian because of a different version of the bible?

Of course I am speaking my own words, I am not a slave to anyone else's word.

 

[God's Truth]

So according to the old heretic keypurr, God is not the LORD.

You are on the outside looking in keypurr.

Who are you to condemn?

God will judge him on what he does.

He is not like a Catholic bowing to statues and calling brothers 'father'.

He is not like a Mormon who gets another gospel message and practices it.

He is obeying Jesus' words, right?

He isn't teaching the works of the old law such as circumcision, right?

He isn't teaching strange doctrines causing others to lose hope is he?

Maybe he has enough humbleness to ask God to forgive him, when he stands before Him.

 

[God's Truth]

I bet you believe everything on the news too.

You prove again and again you are on the wrong side.

Everything your mother and father told you - Even 'christmas' which is a GROSS INDULGENCE in the western word.

You are wrong too many times, you are a false speaker.

Since you speak so much falseness, how is it you want anyone to believe anything that you say?

Your 'evidence', the bible, carries only the 'spirit' of 'God' not the words.

What? lol

The words are how a person records the evidence of their mind as our language is not that of 'God'.

Therefore you conclusions are based on OTHER peoples words that have been deciphered into your language.

The things I say are things not found from denominations. If you had any knowledge, you would know that.

Do you know how long ago you bible fir came into print? What revision number do you have? Have you read any other bible? Have you argued with another christian because of a different version of the bible?

I can argue God's Truth with any Bible version. God says that he reveals himself to those who obey.

Of course I am speaking my own words, I am not a slave to anyone else's word.

Satan has made you a slave to him. You are enslaved to do his will.

 

[Rosenritter]

GT, are you trying to be offensive to as many people as possible? If not, perhaps there could be other ways to convey what you wish to say. But if so... you're doing a bang-up job.

You prove again and again you are on the wrong side.


You are wrong too many times, you are a false speaker.

Since you speak so much falseness, how is it you want anyone to believe anything that you say?



What? lol




The things I say are things not found from denominations. If you had any knowledge, you would know that.


I can argue God's Truth with any Bible version. God says that he reveals himself to those who obey.


Satan has made you a slave to him. You are enslaved to do his will.

 

[God's Truth]

GT, are you trying to be offensive to as many people as possible? If not, perhaps there could be other ways to convey what you wish to say. But if so... you're doing a bang-up job.

I couldn't care any less about your false accusations of me.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Cool....

I have 'sampled' many religious community documentation but have not studied a single book to the exclusion of others as I did not have any belief in 'God', only in 'spirit' and 'human connectedness'.

I am now a believer in 'God' and through my encounter/experience/emergence believe my 'spirit' to now be the same 'spirit' that dwells within all animals. However because I am human I like all humans have a rational brain and I was taught to be 'technical' and 'scientific' - indeed I have had a life that follow just exactly that process.

HOWEVER I have been knocked back many times as I tried to defend myself from the aggression of others.
I was married in a church and am divorced my wife remarried in a registry office, so in the site of the 'Christian God' I am still married. This counts for nothing in my world, in fact EVERYTHING was taken including my mental health, then I was DUMPED. Those are facts not a rant on my behalf - I still love my ex-wife and always will - that is, the true, commitment of love.

The one God is in all people of the earth and there are no RULES it is a fact. Consider if 7,000,000,000 'holy spirits' worked through their physical bodies to make the 'miracle' change we all would like to see. Don't you think that 'God' like changes could become reality.

This is the ministry of God, all around and within us. Amen

The true trinity looks like

Spirit - from God - back to God
Emotion - animal brain - mortal
Rationality - Human brain - mortal
Body - the physical entity

Our function - we as Human Animals we have the responsibility of looking after ALL of God's creatures. Therefore this world and any world we inhabit in the future.

Rational thinking leading me to express myself on this site.

All of my words to date have been learning HOW to speak the words in my 'spirit'.

Peace to you,

Thank you for your question - this is my honest answer, made through my physical being, by my 'spirit'.

The deleted post has to do with a technical issue at my end - resulting in the deletion. I marked it a such because it may have been see and was comments for another site.

Every person is 'connected' to the 'everything' that is 'God' and is expressed in this physical universe 'the creation'. Science KNOWS that the universe is creating itself the power/force/agent is 'God' and we have no way of proving this with tools created in the physical realm. However science already knows of the 'interference' caused by human beings, hence 'double blind trials' and other 'human element' factors found in philosophy (yes it is a science), sociology and psychology etc.

Thanks for the response.

You seem to be saying that you came to a conclusion of GOD(One Creator GOD of All existence) after some time in atheism. Is this correct?

What do you mean "to the exclusion of others"?

I find that a great many people are actually somewhat spiritual, and even agree about a spiritual connectedness between all life. I would be slightly wary of any who didn't. Nihilism is a poison.

To say your spirit is aligned with the spirit of animals is to say you are running on instinct mostly. Is that correct?

Negativity, and aggression from another can happen for any number of reasons; all of which emanate from fear, pride, or greed. That doesn't mean that everything does not happen for a reason. Yes; double negative, as in; positive.

If the marriage was in a church that you weren't an active believing member of then I personally don't see any issue(please excuse my little opinion( I felt compelled since I read about it I guess. I wouldn't claim to know the sight of GOD, and most assuredly would personally not divide GOD needlessly. (You mentioned "Christian God".)))

As far as all being taken, or rather, lost on your part; it has too been my personal experience that one must be brought very low before they submit and hope and genuinely plead to GOD for help. As cheesy as it may sound to some; I believe one must fall to rise, one must crawl before they can walk, and like a phoenix; those brought low, eager for death, are those born anew and raised up to soar and shine as a beacon of the light of GOD.

Here in a discussion about the trinity may or may not be the best place for this, but; though many may think there is great division among the religious(of the world) their is actually an observable accord and harmony. Christ is spoken of in many texts, not as a reference to man alone, but to a spiritual state that comes about through a process.

You speak of a Spirit divided by 7 billion, you should be speaking of a singular Spirit. There is only One. It is without change or variable and does not differ between men based on their own wants or bias. Indeed the change and peace and flourishment of a singular accord wholly reciprocating the benelevent characteristics of GOD in thanksgiving and the glorying of GOD would be nothing less of miraculous friend.

A Trinity is only three friend and is only an attempt at an explanation by man(creation).

When I attempt to rationalize the perspective of the Trinity against what I know by the faith mercifully given to me by GOD, it looks like:

FATHER : One Creator GOD

Holy Spirit: other/ different spirit apart from self and the wants of self (GOD as observable and witnessed within one's own life(also the working and inclinations of the selfless conscience, but in no way limited to such.))

Son: man that actually follows the inclinations of the Holy Spirit to the glorying of GOD alone. (indeed the Christ showed the exact path though so very few can see it through the haze and misguidance of the "church" past).

Understand that the Christ, the second coming, is not a reference to Jesus of Nazareth reappearing in some secret place, but it is the indwelling of the Spirit of GOD(that same One that overflowed through Jesus the Christ and firstfruit.)

I like your take on our purpose or function and would pretty much agree though perhaps word it differently.

You say rational thinking lead you here and I realize that you may be crediting your rationale to GOD which is good, or may be equating it to GOD which I would have to disagree with. Surely humility isn't lost on one so betrotten at one point.

I too find it rather difficult to articulate my intended meaning at times. It's those times that I would hope that I can recall that my own meaning is irrelevant, but the guidance of the Lord is priceless.

Thanks for taking the time to explain the deleted post.

I hope we can speak more, and continue in some level of civility.

peace

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[Saxon Hammer]

You prove again and again you are on the wrong side.


You are wrong too many times, you are a false speaker.

Since you speak so much falseness, how is it you want anyone to believe anything that you say?



What? lol




The things I say are things not found from denominations. If you had any knowledge, you would know that.


I can argue God's Truth with any Bible version. God says that he reveals himself to those who obey.


Satan has made you a slave to him. You are enslaved to do his will.

Again you judge!

PS> I do not need any book to prove God exists!!!!

 

[Lon]

It's not really orthodox. It's more "pagan philosopher."

Plato is the one who originally taught that God's attributes were the omni-s and the im-s.

I challenge you to go through your Bible and highlight every verse where it indicates that God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, immutable, and impassable. Then go through and highlight in a different color all the verses that indicate that God is living, personal, relational, good, and loving.

Anyways, that's not the point of this thread's discussion, so I'll leave it at that.

:nono: I understand the Open Theism position, but it is assertion by a small group. We agree on a lot of things, but not on a good number of Open Theist assumptions. We can talk about them in an OV thread one day, perhaps.

 

[God's Truth]

Again you judge!

PS> I do not need the bible to prove God exists!!!!

You are the one judging.

You are the one speaking against the written Word of God.

 

[Bright Raven]

You are the one judging.

You are the one speaking against the written Word of God.

You don't know the written Word of God.

 

[God's Truth]

You don't know the written Word of God.

Whatever you say.

Not.

 

[Bright Raven]

Whatever you say.

Not.

Thought I'd return the favor. Have a negative rep on me.

 

[Bright Raven]

Beware, God's Truth will give you negative rep for positing the truth.

 

[Rosenritter]

I couldn't care any less about your false accusations of me.

See here, GT, I didn't actually accuse you of anything. I did indirectly point out that you were being terribly offensive to a lot of people. I doubt that's a false observation. Shall we take a poll?

Spoiler

Originally Posted by Rosenritter
GT, are you trying to be offensive to as many people as possible? If not, perhaps there could be other ways to convey what you wish to say. But if so... you're doing a bang-up job.

If you think you aren't being offensive to people, take a look back through your posts during the last twenty-four hours. I tried to indirectly help a few days back with a light joke and you took offense and attacked me as well.

I'm likely one of the few people on this board that comes closest to understanding and/or agreeing with what you mean, but because of your spirit and demeanor, I don't want to be associated with you.

James 3:15-18 KJV
(15) This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
(16) For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
(17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
(18) And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

 

[God's Truth]

See here, GT, I didn't actually accuse you of anything. I did indirectly point out that you were being terribly offensive to a lot of people. I doubt that's a false observation. Shall we take a poll?

Spoiler

If you think you aren't being offensive to people, take a look back through your posts during the last twenty-four hours. I tried to indirectly help a few days back with a light joke and you took offense and attacked me as well.

I'm likely one of the few people on this board that comes closest to understanding and/or agreeing with what you mean, but because of your spirit and demeanor, I don't want to be associated with you.

James 3:15-18 KJV
(15) This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
(16) For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.
(17) But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
(18) And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

I will try to read this later, maybe.

I couldn't care any less what you have to say about me.

 

[God's Truth]

Beware, God's Truth will give you negative rep for positing the truth.

Don't be a cry baby, or worse, a hypocrite. You have had me banned many times.

 

[God's Truth]

Thought I'd return the favor. Have a negative rep on me.

Do you really think that you can destroy me with neg reps? Don't you remember when I was always in the red, and yet, I still kept preaching the truth.