The Trinity

The Trinity

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popsthebuilder

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glorydaz said:
God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. One Triune God.

The Father is God.
The Son (Jesus) is God.
The Holy Spirit is God.

It's a mystery to you and you claim to be God's "Truth". :rotfl:
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So then, the multitude of verses that exclaim believers in the Son of GOD are too sons of GOD, by your standard must all be the fullness of GOD as they walk the earth.

Do you see no problem here?

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glorydaz

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God's Truth said:
Since Jesus is God, do you finally admit he is the Father?
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Here we see you claiming Jesus is the Father, and yet Jesus is speaking to the Father saying, "glorify thou me with thine own self", and "I had with thee..." Clearly there are distinct beings here.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.​

God's Truth said:
Since Jesus is God, and since there is only one Spirit, then Jesus must be the same Spirit as that of God the Father, correct?
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Here we see you claiming that Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

How then do you explain this? :popcorn:

Matthew 12:31-32
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.​

If Jesus is the Holy Spirit, as you insist, then why is blasphemy against Jesus forgiven, but not blasphemy against the Holy Spirit?
 
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popsthebuilder

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God's Truth said:
Amen.

So all can see how easy it is to answer these questions that are important to know if one is to try to be a teacher of the trinity or for those who say Jesus is not God.

Thank you, popsthebuilder.

Would you mind clarifying that you believe Jesus is God?

Since Jesus is God, and since there is only one Spirit, then Jesus must be the same Spirit as that of God the Father, correct?
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Correct.

Though I personally do not believe that the Son of GOD was the utter fullness of GOD while He walked the earth, I do openly and gladly admit that they ate one absinthe same spirit and GOD now that Jesus is not a man, but spirit.

I'm not the best communicator, and don't know your exact belief on the issue, but do agree with what you have said and do say about the Spirit of GOD and how it is synonymous with GOD/ Lord/ Holy Spirit, and all refer toothed same One Creator GOD of all existence.



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glorydaz

glorydaz

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popsthebuilder said:
John: 4. 24. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Matthew: 3. 16. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Matthew: 10. 20. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Matthew: 12. 18. Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Jesus was not the utter fullness of the eternal GOD of all existence while He walked the earth as man.

Matthew: 22. 44. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool

Another verse making the distinction between LORD(creator and sustainer of all existence), and Lord of lords/ King of kings(signifying the the highest and purest of all men ever, and the just/ merciful ruler of all.)

Mark: 1. 12. And immediately the Spirit driveth him into the wilderness.

(odd; He didn't drive Himself)

Mark: 3. 11. And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

(strange; they didn't call him the utter fullness of GOD)

Luke: 1. 47. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 48. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. 49. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. 50. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. 51. He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. 52. He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. 53. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. 54. He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; 55. As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

(I suppose Mary was speaking of her unborn son even though she was speaking about past occurrences.)

Luke: 2. 40. And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

(could someone whonthinks the Christ was the utter fullness of GOD while He walked the earth please explain this verse?)

Luke: 4. 18. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. 22. And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son? 24. And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country. 25. But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; 26. But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. 27. And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

(the Christ likening Himself to Eliseus, a prophet; not GOD.)

Luke: 23. 46. And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

(pretty sure He wasn't praying to Himself)

Acts: 18. 5. And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

Romans: 8. 11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Romans: 8. 23. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

(Does anyone know who the firstfruit is? Does fruit produce itself, or goes it spring forth from the tree?)

I think I have successfully substantiated my two claims with scripture.

GOD is spirit, and the Christ worshipped god as he walked the earth as man.

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God's Truth

God's Truth

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popsthebuilder said:
Correct.

Though I personally do not believe that the Son of GOD was the utter fullness of GOD while He walked the earth, I do openly and gladly admit that they ate one absinthe same spirit and GOD now that Jesus is not a man, but spirit.

I'm not the best communicator, and don't know your exact belief on the issue, but do agree with what you have said and do say about the Spirit of GOD and how it is synonymous with GOD/ Lord/ Holy Spirit, and all refer toothed same One Creator GOD of all existence.



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I am so glad for what you said. It is what I too believe.
 
glorydaz

glorydaz

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popsthebuilder said:
Correct.

Though I personally do not believe that the Son of GOD was the utter fullness of GOD while He walked the earth, I do openly and gladly admit that they ate one absinthe same spirit and GOD now that Jesus is not a man, but spirit.
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Then you deny what Paul said in favor of God's Untruth's wild conjectures? Good to know.

You're warned not to....

Colossians 2:8-10
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.​

But went right ahead and did it. :nono:

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.​
 
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