The Trinity

[God's Truth]

I do get it. You're the one who thinks He came out of God's mouth so you could then eat Him.

Jesus is the Word who says if you do not eat him you will not be saved.

If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever, John 6:51. This bread is Jesus’ flesh, which he will give for the life of the world, John 6:53.

Unless we eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, we have no life in us. Jesus tells us the truth, if anyone obeys his word, he will never see death, John 8:51.

 

[God's Truth]

:rotfl:


Now let's see the verses that say Jesus is Israel. opcorn:

Evil.

 

[Nang]

"Us" and "Our" suggests plural, too. Maybe you should lecture God.

The language of God, alone defines the Triune God.

"They" is the unscriptural language of some people like you, that thereby infer tri-theism.

 

[Nang]

I don't think I said that. I'm not sure how you would have derived that from such a statement.

Who created all things?

New Testament tells us Jesus is the creator of all. John 1:1-3, "All things were made by him..."
Old Testament tells us God is the creator of all. Genesis 1:1 "God created the heaven and the earth."

Simple math would lead you to think Jesus is God. Also confirmed by John 1:1, "The Word was God."
Additional statements specify there is only one God. Mark 12:29, "The LORD your God is one God."

Same passage specifies that God is more properly represented as One, not many, not two, not three. (Mark 12:29 above).
Further passages emphasizes that different names that are also called God are properly represented as one. See 1 John 5:7, "These three are one."

Now if you can show me a passage in the Bible that preaches a Trinity, that comes out and says "This one is three" or "thou shalt not confuse the persons of God with each other" I'd be interested in seeing that. If you can even find a passage that says that there are "multiple persons of God" or such it would be interesting.

Because I'm still looking at the only passage that refers to God as a person, using the word person, and the case it chose was singular, not plural. Hebrews 1:3, Jesus is "the express image of his person."

If someone wants to make contention, please show me a biblical case. The Trinity isn't biblical, it's a man-made model. If it was biblical you would find it defined in the Bible.

The English (translation) problem is not the attempt to teach the biblical concept of a Triune God, but the problem develops from the English word "person" chosen to define the makeup of the plural QUALITIES of the Godhead.

Such word usage simply fails on more than one level.

 

[God's Truth]

The English (translation) problem is not the attempt to teach the biblical concept of a Triune God, but the problem develops from the English word "person" chosen to define the makeup of the plural QUALITIES of the Godhead.

Such word usage simply fails on more than one level.

The trinity doctrine cannot and does not explain the 'essence' of God. The trinity doctrine says the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are the same 'essence'. When I ask trinitarians if that same essence is Spirit, they say no. When I ask if the same essence is Light, they say no.

The trinitarian doctrine is a false doctrine. They cannot even explain their beliefs, which means their belief are not able to be defended.

We have so many protestants here who have not went against the Catholic's trinity doctrine.

 

[glorydaz]

The language of God, alone defines the Triune God.

"They" is the unscriptural language of some people like you, that thereby infer tri-theism.

Oh, well I'm just not quite as good as you and God.

 

[glorydaz]

Evil.

I'm evil because I insist you prove what you claimed? :think:

 

[glorydaz]

The trinity doctrine cannot and does not explain the 'essence' of God. The trinity doctrine says the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are the same 'essence'. When I ask trinitarians if that same essence is Spirit, they say no. When I ask if the same essence is Light, they say no.

The trinitarian doctrine is a false doctrine. They cannot even explain their beliefs, which means their belief are not able to be defended.

We have so many protestants here who have not went against the Catholic's trinity doctrine.

It's hard to explain God to unbelievers.

 

[glorydaz]

Jesus is the Word who says if you do not eat him you will not be saved.

If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever, John 6:51. This bread is Jesus’ flesh, which he will give for the life of the world, John 6:53.

Unless we eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, we have no life in us. Jesus tells us the truth, if anyone obeys his word, he will never see death, John 8:51.

Yes, I know. You claim obeying is eating. Gotcha!

 

[glorydaz]

I don't think I said that. I'm not sure how you would have derived that from such a statement.

Who created all things?

New Testament tells us Jesus is the creator of all. John 1:1-3, "All things were made by him..."
Old Testament tells us God is the creator of all. Genesis 1:1 "God created the heaven and the earth."

Simple math would lead you to think Jesus is God. Also confirmed by John 1:1, "The Word was God."
Additional statements specify there is only one God. Mark 12:29, "The LORD your God is one God."

Same passage specifies that God is more properly represented as One, not many, not two, not three. (Mark 12:29 above).
Further passages emphasizes that different names that are also called God are properly represented as one. See 1 John 5:7, "These three are one."

Now if you can show me a passage in the Bible that preaches a Trinity, that comes out and says "This one is three" or "thou shalt not confuse the persons of God with each other" I'd be interested in seeing that. If you can even find a passage that says that there are "multiple persons of God" or such it would be interesting.

Because I'm still looking at the only passage that refers to God as a person, using the word person, and the case it chose was singular, not plural. Hebrews 1:3, Jesus is "the express image of his person."

If someone wants to make contention, please show me a biblical case. The Trinity isn't biblical, it's a man-made model. If it was biblical you would find it defined in the Bible.

Oh, I didn't realize you were a unitarian, too.

Speaking of Christ... What do you see here?

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Phil. 2:6-8 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.​

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Oh, I didn't realize you were a unitarian, too.

Speaking of Christ... What do you see here?

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Phil. 2:6-8 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.​

What in the heck is a godhead?

 

[Nang]

The trinity doctrine cannot and does not explain the 'essence' of God.

The Trinity doctrine explains the "ousia" (Being) of God.

The trinity doctrine says the Father and Son and Holy Spirit are the same 'essence'. When I ask trinitarians if that same essence is Spirit, they say no.

Well, I do not know you who you asked about these matters, but the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all the same Being (ousia).

When I ask if the same essence is Light, they say no.

"Light" is created. The Godhead is uncreated.

The trinitarian doctrine is a false doctrine. They cannot even explain their beliefs, which means their belief are not able to be defended.

Which means your belief are heretical for lack of defense, for the Trinity has been well defended by orthodox Christianity for hundreds of years, even if not infallibly explained.

We have so many protestants here who have not went against the Catholic's trinity doctrine.

The RCC did not invent Trinitarian doctrine, but Augustine (by the providence of God) did a valiant job of defining it and defending what the body of the faithful, have always believed.

It is impossible for a Christian to deny the Triune Godhead, for such is founded upon the entire revelation of Holy Scripture.

Correctly grasping and teaching the doctrine, is another thing . . .

It is the infinite Truth, that cannot be totally expressed, nor explained, through finite minds or through mutable languages.

It is Truth that is only held through the agency of faith, so that belief in the Trinity proves to be nothing less than the gift of God.

 

[way 2 go]

What in the heck is a godhead?

Gen 1:1 In the beginning GodH430
ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God;

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Gen 1:1 In the beginning GodH430
ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God;

Anybody else?

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

The Trinity doctrine explains the "ousia" (Being) of God.



Well, I do not know you who you asked about these matters, but the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all the same Being (ousia).



"Light" is created. The Godhead is uncreated.



Which means your belief are heretical for lack of defense, for the Trinity has been well defended by orthodox Christianity for hundreds of years, even if not infallibly explained.



The RCC did not invent Trinitarian doctrine, but Augustine (by the providence of God) did a valiant job of defining it and defending what the body of the faithful, have always believed.

It is impossible for a Christian to deny the Triune Godhead, for such is founded upon the entire revelation of Holy Scripture.

Correctly grasping and teaching the doctrine, is another thing . . .

It is the infinite Truth, that cannot be totally expressed through finite minds or through mutable languages.

So then..... it's lame.:think:

 

[Nang]

So.... then it's lame.:think:

No, it is deciding evidence of who has been blessed with saving faith from God, to believe the Truth of His word, despite not having infinite knowledge of infinite God.

 

[Lon]

Further passages emphasizes that different names that are also called God are properly represented as one. See 1 John 5:7, "These three are one."

............

If someone wants to make contention, please show me a biblical case. The Trinity isn't biblical, it's a man-made model. If it was biblical you would find it defined in the Bible.

What does 1 John 5:7 mean exactly to you? :think:

 

[Nang]

So then..... it's lame.:think:

Is saving faith "lame?"

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

No, it is deciding evidence of who has been blessed with saving faith from God, to believe the Truth of His word, despite not having infinite knowledge of infinite God.

Oh.

So if I can grasp man's feeble attempt at describing God, that means I've received saving faith?

 

[Lon]

Anybody else?

"God in person" or "God by nature"