SimpleMan77
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The Word is what he is - the literal visible word of God. Decades of revelation and retrospect went into him paraphrasing Genesis 1:1 in John 1:1!
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The Word is what he is - the literal visible word of God. Decades of revelation and retrospect went into him paraphrasing Genesis 1:1 in John 1:1!
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Nang
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Usage of the pronoun "they" suggests a plural (tri-theism).
The adverb "each" retains the singular ousia of God, and thus is more appropriate, IMO.
There is no subject that demands more careful language, than the doctrine of the Trinity.
glorydaz
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"Us" and "Our" suggests plural, too. Maybe you should lecture God.
You had so much potential. If you could only you know what, we could get married.
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God's Truth
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The Holy Bible says that there is only One God and that He is the Father.
Jesus explains that he is our Father.
The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are all One, and One means the same.
glorydaz
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You've been looking at Bill for too long. Time to change it up.
Davar - Memra - Logos
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?t=98954
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glorydaz
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Is that in the same Bible where He says He is Israel?
God's Truth
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How do you get that what comes out of the mouth of God the Father is not God the Father's words?
glorydaz
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I'm hoping for Mr. Inbetween.
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glorydaz
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Jesus didn't come out of the Father's mouth.
He who went to the Cross did not come out of the Father's mouth.
God's Truth
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Are you kidding? I have been telling you what simpleman has been telling you and you have been going against me like an insane man.
glorydaz
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God's Truth
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What don't you get about Jesus being the Word of God?
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YES....for both your statements.opcorn:
I gave them to you before, but you didn't seem to acknowledge them.
Scriptures that say Jesus is God the Father:
See Deuteronomy 32:18. You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.
1 Corinthians 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
The ROCK that FATHERED them was Christ.
Jesus says those who overcome he will be their GOD and they will be his CHILDREN.
See Revelation 21:7. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.
If we are Jesus' children, then he is our Father.
John 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
Did you read that scripture? Who but a Father will not leave children as orphans?
Jesus says when you SEE him, you have SEEN the Father.
See John 14:7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
John 14:9 Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? John 12:45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.
That means when we see Jesus, we can say, "I see the Father."
God says Jesus will be called God, Father, and Holy Spirit. So that is what I call Jesus.
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Malachi 2:10 Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?
WHO created them? Jesus did and the scripture calls him the Father.
glorydaz
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I do get it. You're the one who thinks He came out of God's mouth so you could then eat Him.
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Rosenritter
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I don't think I said that. I'm not sure how you would have derived that from such a statement.
Who created all things?
New Testament tells us Jesus is the creator of all. John 1:1-3, "All things were made by him..."
Old Testament tells us God is the creator of all. Genesis 1:1 "God created the heaven and the earth."
Simple math would lead you to think Jesus is God. Also confirmed by John 1:1, "The Word was God."
Additional statements specify there is only one God. Mark 12:29, "The LORD your God is one God."
Same passage specifies that God is more properly represented as One, not many, not two, not three. (Mark 12:29 above).
Further passages emphasizes that different names that are also called God are properly represented as one. See 1 John 5:7, "These three are one."
Now if you can show me a passage in the Bible that preaches a Trinity, that comes out and says "This one is three" or "thou shalt not confuse the persons of God with each other" I'd be interested in seeing that. If you can even find a passage that says that there are "multiple persons of God" or such it would be interesting.
Because I'm still looking at the only passage that refers to God as a person, using the word person, and the case it chose was singular, not plural. Hebrews 1:3, Jesus is "the express image of his person."
If someone wants to make contention, please show me a biblical case. The Trinity isn't biblical, it's a man-made model. If it was biblical you would find it defined in the Bible.
Who created all things?
New Testament tells us Jesus is the creator of all. John 1:1-3, "All things were made by him..."
Old Testament tells us God is the creator of all. Genesis 1:1 "God created the heaven and the earth."
Simple math would lead you to think Jesus is God. Also confirmed by John 1:1, "The Word was God."
Additional statements specify there is only one God. Mark 12:29, "The LORD your God is one God."
Same passage specifies that God is more properly represented as One, not many, not two, not three. (Mark 12:29 above).
Further passages emphasizes that different names that are also called God are properly represented as one. See 1 John 5:7, "These three are one."
Now if you can show me a passage in the Bible that preaches a Trinity, that comes out and says "This one is three" or "thou shalt not confuse the persons of God with each other" I'd be interested in seeing that. If you can even find a passage that says that there are "multiple persons of God" or such it would be interesting.
Because I'm still looking at the only passage that refers to God as a person, using the word person, and the case it chose was singular, not plural. Hebrews 1:3, Jesus is "the express image of his person."
If someone wants to make contention, please show me a biblical case. The Trinity isn't biblical, it's a man-made model. If it was biblical you would find it defined in the Bible.