The Trinity

[God's Truth]

Why does Jesus call the Holy Spirit His helper, if its Him?

Where does Jesus call the Holy spirit his own helper?

Why does Jesus pray to the Father, if He IS the Father?

To whom else is a Man to pray?

Jesus even said it is to our benefit that he prayed to God.

John 11:42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me."


It was to our benefit and not Jesus'.

...because Jesus is God.

Why does Jesus call Himself His own Son, and tell Himself He is pleased with Himself?

God came as a Man, and His name is Jesus, and he pleased God.

Why does Jesus ask Himself why He has forsaken Himself?

Jesus is quoting the Old Testament to show that he is fulfilling it. See, people who suffer were considered forsaken by God, but we know that is not true.

 

[God's Truth]

I'll face the Lord's judgment someday, for sure. When I do I will be with my Redeemer, Jesus Christ, who is NO MERE MAN, and who is NOT the Father NOR the Holy Spirit, yet enjoys equal fellowship within the Godhead.

You have a hard time now obeying, what makes you think you can do it then?

 

[Angel4Truth]

Where does Jesus call the Holy spirit his own helper?

John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and He will be in you.…

To whom else is a Man to pray?

Jesus even said it is to our benefit that he prayed to God.

But you said all 3 are only one person, why would He pray to Himself?

John 11:42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me."


It was to our benefit and not Jesus'.

How would it have been for our benefit if the cup of sacrifice passed from Him like He prayed to the Father? We would be lost if that happened wouldnt we?

...because Jesus is God.

Yes, but Hes not the Father, and you keep ignoring the questions you dont like and you keep giving out of context replies.

God came as a Man, and His name is Jesus, and he pleased God.

He pleased Himself? You are saying there is only one, and not more than one person, was Jesus in several places at once?

Why does Jesus ask Himself why He has forsaken Himself?

Jesus is quoting the Old Testament to show that he is fulfilling it. See, people who suffer were considered forsaken by God, but we know that is not true.

You didnt answer my questions.

 

[God's Truth]

John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and He will be in you.…

That scripture does not say the Holy Spirit is JESUS' helper. The Holy Spirit is our helper.

You didnt answer my questions.

I did answer.

 

[Angel4Truth]

That scripture does not say the Holy Spirit is JESUS' helper. The Holy Spirit is our helper.



I did answer.

No, you bobbed and weaved and didnt answer at all.

 

[Eagles Wings]

You have a hard time now obeying, what makes you think you can do it then?

I am not here to teach you, GT, and I find that you have not changed your belief about the Holy Trinity since your one-on-one debate with AMR. I plan to post in this thread, however, will not engage you any further.

 

[God's Truth]

No, you bobbed and weaved and didnt answer at all.

I did not do as you claim.

What would you like me to discuss more?

 

[God's Truth]

I am not here to teach you, GT,

No Calvinist can lead me to that error.

and I find that you have not changed your belief about the Holy Trinity since your one-on-one debate with AMR.

AMR is puffed up and I see that you like that. However, that is not from God.

I plan to post in this thread, however, will not engage you any further.

You cannot engage for you know you do not have the truth to overcome truth. That is not possible.

 

[Angel4Truth]

I did not do as you claim.

What would you like me to discuss more?

Nothing, why would i listen to your teachings when you refuse to answer even simple questions?

 

[God's Truth]

Nothing, why would i listen to your teachings when you refuse to answer even simple questions?

Ask again and show me where you think I went wrong.

 

[Bright Raven]

Ask again and show me where you think I went wrong.

You have gone wrong denying the Trinity.

 

[God's Truth]

You have gone wrong denying the Trinity.

I have said many times that there are three.

Your trinity doctrine says things that are not true, it comes from the false denomination called Catholic.

Your beliefs are based on men's teachings, many men's teachings mixed up and shaken and not from God.

 

[God's Truth]

Why does Jesus call the Holy Spirit His helper, if its Him?

Jesus did not want the apostles to think he was coming in the flesh again, but that he was coming in the Spirit and would live IN them.

Why does Jesus pray to the Father, if He IS the Father?

Because God came as a Man. Who but God should a man pray to? Jesus even said he did not do it for himself but rather so that those listening could benefit.


John 11:42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me."

Did you read that?

Jesus said he prayed to benefit the people listening.

Why does Jesus call Himself His own Son, and tell Himself He is pleased with Himself?

God did not pretend to come as a Man He really did.

As a Man Jesus had to obey and he felt everything that a real man felt, i.e. hunger, pain.
When someone comes from another that person is called a 'son', or a 'daughter'. What else is a human called when coming forth from another?

Why does Jesus ask Himself why He has forsaken Himself?

Jesus was quoting the Old Testament scripture.

When anyone suffers, everyone thinks that God has forsaken the person suffering.

Jesus suffered and quoted the Old Testament scripture that says why have you forsaken me.

 

[God's Truth]

John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. But you do know Him, for He abides with you and He will be in you.…

You quoted the scripture that gives you the answer.

Jesus says that he is giving them another Helper, and then he says you know him for he has been with you. Jesus is the ONE WHO HAS been WITH THEM.

Jesus is telling them it is another Helper so that they do not think Jesus is going to come in the flesh to help them.

Jesus even said it is to our benefit that he prayed to God.
But you said all 3 are only one person, why would He pray to Himself?

He prayed for OUR benefit, so that we can hear him and he can be our example.
Jesus saying God always hears him is proof that they are the same.

How would it have been for our benefit if the cup of sacrifice passed from Him like He prayed to the Father? We would be lost if that happened wouldnt we?

Jesus was speaking as a Man and as a Man, it is no easy thing to be tortured and die.

Yes, but Hes not the Father, and you keep ignoring the questions you dont like and you keep giving out of context replies.

I am not ignoring anything.

He pleased Himself? You are saying there is only one, and not more than one person, was Jesus in several places at once?

I have said MANY times that there are three.

You didnt answer my questions.

I answered all your questions.

 

[God's Truth]

What don't you all get that there is only one God and He is the Father?

That is scripture.

 

[Nang]

I have said MANY times that there are three.

Three, what?

 

[Nang]

What don't you all get that there is only one God and He is the Father?

That is scripture.

I recommend you look into the heresy called "Patripassianism" to avoid serious error.

 

[God's Truth]

I recommend you look into the heresy called "Patripassiansim" to avoid serious error.

I speak according to the scriptures. I couldn't care any less about what title you try to put on me. You are the one who likes titles and following mere men.

Speak to me according to the scriptures.

Speak here about what you want to say to me, and use your own words and the words of God as written in the Holy Bible, not written by evil men, i.e. your leaders.

 

[God's Truth]

Three, what?

Three modes, God the Father in heaven, invisible; God the Father in the flesh on earth; and, God the Father with His Spirit that goes forth without limit.

 

[God's Truth]

What don't you get about there being ONLY ONE GOD and that HE IS THE FATHER?

What don't you get about here being NONE BESIDES God?