The holy Spirit was also in John but not available to anyone else. Why?
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The holy Spirit was also in John but not available to anyone else. Why?
Nang
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The Holy Spirit is omniscient, because He is God.
God is everywhere, but does not indwell all persons. Only the regenerated elect are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, while He is sovereignly working all things in His creation.
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God elects those who believe and obey Him.
He does not save and elect before that.
He does NOT save UNBELIEVERS, no matter how much you cling to that lie.
It is NOWHERE in the Bible.
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Jesus says you will be judged the way you judge others.
I know what Eagle Wings, Meshak and you are.
You expose yourselves.
You all should have tried to obey Jesus better.
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Jesus is the Holy Spirit. The scriptures say so plainly.
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If your beliefs are not in your heart, then why would you want anyone to have them in theirs?
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...wasn't talking to you. Maybe Judgerightly needed to know.
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We are talking about Judgerightly debating us here in his words and with scripture. We do not want to go off and read or listen to audios from others. If Judgerightly can't even express his own beliefs from those audios, why should we bother to listen to them?
The Apostles were not fully baptized in the Spirit until after the resurrection.
And we know you by your rotten fruit.
Nang
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I believe that those who exhibit faith and obedience in Him, evidence being already changed from unbelief and spiritual death to a new spiritual life and belief in Jesus Christ. (Manifesting the miracle of Regeneration/Resurrection)
"Election" occurred before the foundation of the world, in the heavenly places in Christ. Ephesians 1:3-4
Salvation from the curse of death and hell, occurs, and the gift of faith is given, in the physical lifetime of these elect, in their lifetimes. John Chapter 3
All persons saved by the election and grace of God, are physically born unbelievers (excepting those souls saved by election and grace in the womb or infancy).
I know what you are saying. No soul saved will fail to believe, once God has raised them to new spiritual life. There is no such thing as an unbelieving Christian.
But every single believing Christian I have ever met, has confessed to a former life of unbelief, prior to being gifted with faith to hear and believe the Gospel message.
Nang
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Jesus Christ was filled with the Spirit, for there is no separating Father, Son, and Spirit . . ever! The Godhead cannot be fractured. God always acts as three in One.
The theological term used is "perichoresis."
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...see, you continue to show that it is you with the rotten fruit.
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To be ‘regenerated’ it is when one IS saved.
Jesus does NOT save those who do not first believe and obey.
That is about the plan.
Faith comes from hearing the gospel, from being taught by reading and by your own will, or and from the help of others. It is from being persuaded and convinced. That is what the Bible says, PLAINLY. NOWHERE anywhere in the Bible does it say what you say. Nowhere does it say God saves us first and then that saving causes us to believe and obey.
That is about some prophets being chosen before. That is not about all.
Again, you claim God saves Unbelievers that He makes them believe. That is not in the scriptures anywhere. God tells us plainly to believe THEN you will be saved.
They acquired faith the same way the Bible says that they did, and that is by hearing the message, being taught, persuaded, and convinced.
Nang
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Salvation is a temporal process; not fully realized until the end of this life or the second coming of Christ; whichever comes first. Hebrews 9:28
Jesus died for His children, while they were still sinners. Romans 5:6
Read I Corinthians 2:11-14
This passage plainly and clearly attributes the workings of the Holy Spirit ".. that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God." vs 12b
Unbelievers become believers by the anointing of the Holy Spirit. I John 2:20-21
Yes, but a sinner cannot hear the Gospel message until the Holy Spirit gives them ears to hear. They can only be taught, persuaded, and convinced by Him. John 16:8-14
Without the abiding and indwelling Spirit of Christ, no one can do anything to work his own salvation. John 15:4-6
Really? We know John was indwelt with the holy Spirit from birth so are you saying that was Jesus who lived in John?
Also, we know Jesus was anointed by the holy Spirit so are you saying Jesus appeared in the form of a dove and anointed himself?
A really, really strange belief.
Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on Him.17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”…
He saw Himself, descend on Himself, and then told Himself He was well pleased with Himself and called Himself His own Son.
Another stupid assumption.
yes, which the scriptures clearly refute all in one verse.
Eagles Wings
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Yes, I made a strong statement GT, and it is what I believe.
The early Christian church itself was falling into heresies, and Paul mentions this with much gravity.
The Apostle's Creed, in the 2nd century, was issued forth for the sake of Christ's people, so that the church would stand on true biblical interpretation regarding His humanity and divinity.
There is only one correct doctrine of Christ in the Christian Church and that is that Christ was fully God and fully Man; of one substance with the Father.
I also agree with you, GT, that we must be careful in our judgments of specific individuals here at TOL, or anywhere. I must remember that it is the Lord only, who sees/knows our heart/mind.