The Trinity

[God's Truth]

Now you're just spouting gibberish.



I don't believe in the Trinity because the Catholics taught it. I believe in the Trinity because the Bible teaches it.

So please, unless you can tell me the difference between Protestant and Catholic, STOP CALLING ME A CATHOLIC!

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You are a Catholic because you are a trinitarian, you believe in the same God the Catholics do.

You didn't stop calling me a modalist when I told you before that I was not one.

I am not speaking gibberish, I am explaining to you that you are DOUBLY judged as a Catholic, because it is the way you judge, and because you believe in their trinitarian God according to their trinitarian doctrine.

 

[JudgeRightly]

You are saying otherwise, you are saying there is another like the Father.

Did you even bother to read through my other posts?

Hahahahahahahahahahah WHOSE throne is Jesus one?! LOLLOLLOL

Talking like a maniac isn't going to get you anywhere. Please restate your point so that we may make sense of it.

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[JudgeRightly]

You are a Catholic because you are a trinitarian, you believe in the same God the Catholics do.

You didn't stop calling me a modalist when I told you before that I was not one.

I am not speaking gibberish, I am explaining to you that you are DOUBLY judged as a Catholic, because it is the way you judge, and because you believe in their trinitarian God according to their trinitarian doctrine.

What is the difference between a Protestant and a Catholic? Do you know?

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[God's Truth]

Did you even bother to read through my other posts?



Talking like a maniac isn't going to get you anywhere. Please restate your point so that we may make sense of it.

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You will never understand until you humble yourself. Slandering me is not humbleness. You need to repent.

 

[God's Truth]

What is the difference between a Protestant and a Catholic? Do you know?

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What is the difference between a Catholic and the Catholic Luther and Calvin? Do you know?

 

[JudgeRightly]

What is the difference between a Catholic and the Catholic Luther and Calvin? Do you know?

GT, what is Protestantism? Instead of mocking me, why not just answer the question?

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[God's Truth]

GT, what is Protestantism? Instead of mocking me, why not just answer the question?

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You are the one mocking me.

You are the one who is being judged in the same way you judge. (Matthew 7:2)

I have asked you to tell me how you think that the Catholic Luther and Calvin are not Catholics, but you did not answer. First tell me how the Catholic Luther and Calvin or not Catholic.

 

[JudgeRightly]

You are the one mocking me.

You are the one who is being judged in the same way you judge. (Matthew 7:2)

I have asked you to tell me how you think that the Catholic Luther and Calvin are not Catholics, but you did not answer. First tell me how the Catholic Luther and Calvin or not Catholic.

GT, do you know what a protestant is or not?

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[Bright Raven]

Yeah right, BR, we know, there are three.

Good for you?

Sarcastic wolf.

 

[randomvim]

There are no scriptures that tell us to make creeds, and there are no scriptures where an apostle or disciple made a creed.


We do not get saved by denominations.

Your denomination cannot save you, neither can your pastor.

1. Agree, those things are not in scripture. But we have examples of statements about belief, and we are absent of examples that deny or prevent creeds.

2. Agreed. We are saved through God alone, but even that is a statement of belief and humans will not act abscent of our social norms which include definition and identification.

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[randomvim]

Your misjudging others is against God, and so is your creed.

you just presented a judgement. how dare you.

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[randomvim]

Jesus did not want the apostles to think he was coming in the flesh again, but that he was coming in the Spirit and would live IN them.



Because God came as a Man. Who but God should a man pray to? Jesus even said he did not do it for himself but rather so that those listening could benefit.


John 11:42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me."

Did you read that?

Jesus said he prayed to benefit the people listening.


God did not pretend to come as a Man He really did.

As a Man Jesus had to obey and he felt everything that a real man felt, i.e. hunger, pain.
When someone comes from another that person is called a 'son', or a 'daughter'. What else is a human called when coming forth from another?



Jesus was quoting the Old Testament scripture.

When anyone suffers, everyone thinks that God has forsaken the person suffering.

Jesus suffered and quoted the Old Testament scripture that says why have you forsaken me.

This is amazing. your explainations almost mirror that which Catholics teach. Maybe exact. yet the historical church which comes from Jesus and Apostles is false?

Anyways, well worded attempt to explain and answer questions, thanks for posting it at least twice despite others claiming you did not answer their question.

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[God's Truth]

1. Agree, those things are not in scripture. But we have examples of statements about belief, and we are absent of examples that deny or prevent creeds.

2. Agreed. We are saved through God alone, but even that is a statement of belief and humans will not act abscent of our social norms which include definition and identification.

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There is no defense for creeds.

 

[God's Truth]

you just presented a judgement. how dare you.

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I have done no such thing.

 

[randomvim]

Yes, Baptists are a denomination. They're a completely different denomination than Catholic.

GT, do you know the difference between Protestants and Roman Catholics?

If you did, you would not be calling me a Catholic. I am anything but.

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Just "catholics" would suffice

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[Jerry Shugart]

Our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Let us look at this verse which speaks of the appearing of the Lord Jesus, our great God and Savior:

"...while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).​

The following passage speaks of us looking for that appearance and the "glory" which we will see will be the Lord Jesus' "glorious body":

"But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body" (Phil.3:20-21).​

The following verses are also speaking of the same "appearance" and the same "glory":

"Beloved, now are we the children of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is" (1 Jn.3:2).​

"When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory" (Col.3:4).​

So the "glory" in the following verse is referring to the glorious body in which we will see the Lord Jesus when He will appear:

"...while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).​

That is why Paul refers to that glory as belonging to the Lord Jesus, our great God and Savior.

 

[God's Truth]

This is amazing. your explainations almost mirror that which Catholics teach.

Don't forget that the Catholics are trinitarians, and what I said is NOT trinitarian. I am no more trinitarians than I am a modalist.

I do not go by labels, unless you are a poster who likes labels.

The trinitarians like labels, so I give them labels and address them accordingly.

The Calvinists like labels too, as do the Pentecostals.

Maybe exact.

No. It is not exact. That is disappointing to hear you say that...but, it is close.

yet the historical church which comes from Jesus and Apostles is false?

So then, you must be a Catholic.

Jesus and the Apostles are not Catholics.

Anyways, well worded attempt to explain and answer questions,

Thank you. I like that you say that because you have more going for you than the others debating me.

thanks for posting it at least twice despite others claiming you did not answer their question.

Amen to you.
I hope that maybe with you this discussion can be meaningful and truthful.

 

[randomvim]

There is no defense for creeds.

There is no offense either as they act as a statement of self. But creeds can be explained.

I have done no such thing.

Ha! so did. (trying to be playful for moment. can elaborate after 3rd edit)

Don't forget that the Catholics are trinitarians, and what I said is NOT trinitarian. I am no more trinitarians than I am a modalist.

I do not go by labels, unless you are a poster who likes labels.

The trinitarians like labels, so I give them labels and address them accordingly.

The Calvinists like labels too, as do the Pentecostals.

No. It is not exact. That is disappointing to hear you say that...but, it is close.

So then, you must be a Catholic.

Jesus and the Apostles are not Catholics.

Thank you. I like that you say that because you have more going for you than the others debating me.


Amen to you.
I hope that maybe with you this discussion can be meaningful and truthful.

1. I know you are not Catholic, which is why I just had to mention it. for example: "why have you forsaken me." I agree this quotes or relates to OT, and I think it was a poem that relates to Job? But that guess was from memory and many Catholic apologist explain things similar you have.

2. Yes labels are labels. hold us back, push us forward. identify and relate.

3. Agree Jesus and Apostles were not catholic as we use the term today, as a noun. They were Jews and Apostles saw Jesus as the fullfilment of Jewish faith. Messiah. But Catholics reckognize Peter as first "Pope" (not by title but office) and there is a historical lineage that supports this claim.
Catholicism can trace trinitarianism to the Apostles and early church fathers as well. Do so by using quotes from Jesus and some passages I saw you use to describe some points. Same for others on this site as well.

Irony?

3. oops I mean 4.
thank you for your positive words. cheers.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Don't forget that the Catholics are trinitarians, and what I said is NOT trinitarian. I am no more trinitarians than I am a modalist.

I do not go by labels, unless you are a poster who likes labels.

The trinitarians like labels, so I give them labels and address them accordingly.

The Calvinists like labels too, as do the Pentecostals.


No. It is not exact. That is disappointing to hear you say that...but, it is close.




So then, you must be a Catholic.

Jesus and the Apostles are not Catholics.



Thank you. I like that you say that because you have more going for you than the others debating me.


Amen to you.
I hope that maybe with you this discussion can be meaningful and truthful.

GT, What do you have against Catholics, anyways, that you hate them so much?

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[God's Truth]

There is no offense either as they act as a statement of self. But creeds can be explained.


Ha! so did.

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What don't you get that creeds are not of God?

We must obey God not men.

Creeds are from men.