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God's Truth

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Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on Him.17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”…

He saw Himself, descend on Himself, and then told Himself He was well pleased with Himself and called Himself His own Son.

There are three.
 

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Really? We know John was indwelt with the holy Spirit from birth so are you saying that was Jesus who lived in John?

Also, we know Jesus was anointed by the holy Spirit so are you saying Jesus appeared in the form of a dove and anointed himself?

A really, really strange belief.

Why is it so strange to you? There are three, and the three are the same.
 

God's Truth

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Yes, I made a strong statement GT, and it is what I believe.
I know, and I know that what you are saying is you condemning yourself.

The early Christian church itself was falling into heresies, and Paul mentions this with much gravity.

The Apostle's Creed, in the 2nd century, was issued forth for the sake of Christ's people, so that the church would stand on true biblical interpretation regarding His humanity and divinity.
If you have a creed, then it is a sure sign that you have wandered from the truth. There is no scripture anywhere that says we are to make creeds.
You have now ventured off into obeying man and not God.

There is only one correct doctrine of Christ in the Christian Church and that is that Christ was fully God and fully Man; of one substance with the Father.

…and what do you say is that one substance?

I also agree with you, GT, that we must be careful in our judgments of specific individuals here at TOL, or anywhere. I must remember that it is the Lord only, who sees/knows our heart/mind.
It matters what we believe and preach to others. You preach things that hinder those who want God’s Truth.
 

Angel4Truth

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The Bible says there are One. One means the same.

There are three and the three are the same.

Mark 10:8 and the two will become one flesh.’[So they are no longer two, but one flesh.

so a married couple, isnt really a couple, they cease to be individuals entirely and become one person... yeah

No more a man and a woman, but just one person there.

So why does Jesus watch Himself descend on Himself and call Himself His own Son and tells Himself He is pleased with Himself, break that down for us please.
 

randomvim

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I know, and I know that what you are saying is you condemning yourself.


If you have a creed, then it is a sure sign that you have wandered from the truth. There is no scripture anywhere that says we are to make creeds.
You have now ventured off into obeying man and not God.



…and what do you say is that one substance?


It matters what we believe and preach to others. You preach things that hinder those who want God’s Truth.
there are no scripture to say we are not to make creeds. Oh and a creed is a statement of belief. all religions have some sort of creed, even if they dont say it as a prayer.

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God's Truth

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Salvation is a temporal process; not fully realized until the end of this life or the second coming of Christ; whichever comes first. Hebrews 9:28
Salvation is now, and it is when one dies, and it is when Jesus comes again.

To be regenerated is to be saved. Jesus does not save those who do not believe.

Jesus died for His children, while they were still sinners. Romans 5:6

Don’t say God says something when He doesn’t. That scripture does NOT say God saved us while we did not believe. If that scripture said what you claim it does, then it would nullify many scriptures. God does NOT nullify His Word.

Read I Corinthians 2:11-14

This passage plainly and clearly attributes the workings of the Holy Spirit ".. that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God." vs 12b
That is AFTER one is saved.

Unbelievers become believers by the anointing of the Holy Spirit. I John 2:20-21
That is about those who are already saved.

You contradicted what you said earlier when you said the Holy Spirit makes us believe, for that scripture is about AFTER we believe, OR ELSE you would NEVER have needed for anyone ever to first tell you ANYTHING about God.

Yes, but a sinner cannot hear the Gospel message until the Holy Spirit gives them ears to hear. They can only be taught, persuaded, and convinced by Him. John 16:8-14
All are sinners, and anyone can hear the truth and be taught, persuaded, and convinced.

Without the abiding and indwelling Spirit of Christ, no one can do anything to work his own salvation. John 15:4-6
Those scriptures are about the saved and Jesus is telling them to stay in him.
 

randomvim

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Mark 10:8 and the two will become one flesh.’[So they are no longer two, but one flesh.

so a married couple, isnt really a couple, they cease to be individuals entirely and become one person... yeah

No more a man and a woman, but just one person there.

So why does Jesus watch Himself descend on Himself and call Himself His own Son and tells Himself He is pleased with Himself, break that down for us please.

1. Trinity. the whole concept of trinity is that distinct persons can interact with each other just as they may act on their own. try reading documents on trinity.

2. not sure what point on marriage is, but you are implying one fresh means two persons become one person is not accurate. we can know this just by watching a married couple. they are distinct and act as themselves though considered one flesh. no one ceases to be an individual except maybe a broken mind.

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If you have a creed, then it is a sure sign that you have wandered from the truth. There is no scripture anywhere that says we are to make creeds.
The beauty of having a creed, is that one does not have to re-invent the wheel so to speak each time a doctrinal question comes up.

Substance means one in being with the Father.

From the Belgic Confession, Jesus Christ is True and Eternal God:

begotten from eternity John 1:14, Col 1:15

not made nor created but coessential John 10:30, Phil 2:6

coeternal with the Father John 1:2, John 17:5, Rev 1:8

equal unto Him in all things Phil 2:6

I John 5:7
 

God's Truth

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Mark 10:8 and the two will become one flesh.’[So they are no longer two, but one flesh.

so a married couple, isnt really a couple, they cease to be individuals entirely and become one person... yeah
Right that is about married people. It is about the flesh, as in not spirit.

No more a man and a woman, but just one person there.

So why does Jesus watch Himself descend on Himself and call Himself His own Son and tells Himself He is pleased with Himself, break that down for us please.

Now you are talking about what is Spiritual and not about what is flesh.

The Holy Spirit goes forth from God and can go in and on many at one time.

If a person says they have the Holy Spirit that does not mean no one else can have the Holy Spirit.

If someone had the Holy Spirit come on them with power, then that does not mean no one else can be given power.

Jesus' Spirit is the Holy Spirit, and when he was baptized, the Holy Spirit came on him with power for his earthly ministry, not unlike what happened to the apostles.

When we are given the Holy Spirit that does not mean we no longer have our own spirit.

When the Holy Spirit comes on a human with power that means they are given power from God.
 
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God's Truth

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there are no scripture to say we are not to make creeds.

There are no scriptures that tell us to make creeds, and there are no scriptures where an apostle or disciple made a creed.

Oh and a creed is a statement of belief. all religions have some sort of creed, even if they dont say it as a prayer.
We do not get saved by denominations.

Your denomination cannot save you, neither can your pastor.
 

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The beauty of having a creed, is that one does not have to re-invent the wheel so to speak each time a doctrinal question comes up.

Substance means one in being with the Father.

From the Belgic Confession, Jesus Christ is True and Eternal God:

begotten from eternity John 1:14, Col 1:15

not made nor created but coessential John 10:30, Phil 2:6

coeternal with the Father John 1:2, John 17:5, Rev 1:8

equal unto Him in all things Phil 2:6

I John 5:7

Your misjudging others is against God, and so is your creed.
 

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Why does Jesus call the Holy Spirit His helper, if its Him?

Why does Jesus pray to the Father, if He IS the Father?

Why does Jesus call Himself His own Son, and tell Himself He is pleased with Himself?

Why does Jesus ask Himself why He has forsaken Himself?
 

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Why does Jesus call the Holy Spirit His helper, if its Him?

Why does Jesus pray to the Father, if He IS the Father?

Why does Jesus call Himself His own Son, and tell Himself He is pleased with Himself?

Why does Jesus ask Himself why He has forsaken Himself?
In addition, Why would God the Father call Jesus God if He is not?

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