The Trinity

[marhig]

So, He did not eat, He did not sleep, He did not get tired, He did not cry, He did not get angry. Got it.

You are a rejecter of The Truth, denying His Sacrifice on the Cross of Calvary and the ONLY way TO BE SAVED and to STAY SAVED.

What? What on earth are you talking about? Not eating and drinking etc? What's that got to do with anything?

 

[lifeisgood]

What? What on earth are you talking about? Not eating and drinking etc? What's that got to do with anything?

Well, you, marhig, said Jesus was dead before he went on the cross.

You, marhig, are a rejecter of The Truth, denying His Sacrifice on the Cross of Calvary as the ONLY way TO BE SAVED and to STAY SAVED.

 

[God's Truth]

Only in YOUR imagination.



Only in YOUR imagination.



ABSOLUTELY, no question about it you have a comprehension thingy going on. EXACTLY, the same as, gt.

You go against those who say to obey Jesus' teachings.

You say that is not for us.

You say his teaching to us is do nothing but believe.

You think this twisted wording and trickery is some kind of great knowledge.

What don't you get about believing IS OBEYING but is it NOT the only thing we are told to do.

What don't you get about faith alone being dead faith?

 

[lifeisgood]

GT you cant see that there are 2 different deaths? Dead in sin and dead to the flesh.

Don't forget, marhig, that you say Jesus was dead before he went on the cross.

 

[marhig]

Well, you, marhig, said Jesus was dead before he went on the cross

Oh my word, I can't believe that you don't know what I mean about Jesus being dead to the flesh and this world! And you think I mean eating and drinking etc. No, I don't mean that he didn't eat and drink etc.

I don't mean dead as you and GT see dead to mean.

 

[Squeaky]

Why do people want to make it so mysterious, when it says to keep it simple. Jesus said the Father is the only true God. Jesus said that we have the very same God and the very same Father that He does. Paul backed Jesus up with for us there is only one God the Father.

2 Cor 11:3
3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
(NKJ)


John 17:1-3
1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2 "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

John 20:17
17 Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"
(NKJ)

1 Cor 8:5-7
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
7 However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
(NKJ)

 

[marhig]

Don't forget, marhig, that you say Jesus was dead before he went on the cross.

Yes he was, can you really not see what I mean by that?

 

[God's Truth]

NEVER said what you are asserting I said. You have a comprehension thingy going on.



TO BE SAVED?



AFTER God has SAVED YOU or BEFORE?

Are you saying, exactly, the same as, gt, that a UNbeliever can OBEY God BEFORE God has saved them? (Notice it is a question and not an assertion, just in case.)

Are the words of Jesus Christ ever ineffectual?

Where is your common sense?

Jesus says to be saved do this and do that and don't do this and don't do that.

You say no and that Jesus didn't tell us that.

You say no and that Jesus told us later through Paul to never mind all that and just believe.

Could be funny if not so serious.

 

[God's Truth]

Yes he was, can you really not see what I mean by that?

I know what you mean but it is inappropriate, it is not accurate to say such a thing, but you want to keep saying it anyway.

 

[lifeisgood]

You go against those who say to obey Jesus' teachings.

Have you sold all you have and gave it all to the poor?
Have you started your ministry in Jerusalem and the surrounding villages/cities, etc.?

You say that is not for us.

Have you sold all you have and gave it all to the poor?
Have you started your ministry in Jerusalem and the surrounding villages/cities, etc.?

You say his teaching to us is do nothing but believe.

TO BE SAVED.

You think this twisted wording and trickery is some kind of great knowledge.

So, you think that it is great knowledge to bring all your good deeds, your obedience, your [whatever you want here], etc. to help Jesus Christ and His finished/completed work on the Cross of Calvary so that He can save you. Got it.

What don't you get about believing IS OBEYING but is it NOT the only thing we are told to do.

No! Believing is NOT obeying.
I believe you call yourself here as gt. That is my belief. That is not obedience.

What don't you get about faith alone being dead faith?

You have no idea of what kind of faith James was talking about.

 

[God's Truth]

Why do people want to make it so mysterious, when it says to keep it simple. Jesus said the Father is the only true God. Jesus said that we have the very same God and the very same Father that He does. Paul backed Jesus up with for us there is only one God the Father.

You should take your own advice as you blasphemy when you say love doesn't have a feeling and that it is evil

By the way, Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Son.

 

[lifeisgood]

Yes he was, can you really not see what I mean by that?

I have to agree with gt on this one:

I know what you mean but it is inappropriate, it is not accurate to say such a thing, but you want to keep saying it anyway.

 

[God's Truth]

Watch out for computer virus' when one clicks on Squeaky's posts. It is good to know how to handle those little virus' when it happens.

 

[marhig]

Don't forget, marhig, that you say Jesus was dead before he went on the cross.

I know what you mean but it is inappropriate, it is not accurate to say such a thing, but you want to keep saying it anyway.

Why is it inappropriate to explain what I mean, when you seem to think that I mean that Jesus was dead in sin, or like lifeisgood thinks I mean dead as in he didn't eat or drink etc?

I'm trying to explain what I mean by Jesus being dead before he went to the cross, I'm sorry that you both don't understand me!

But, this is what I mean

Colossians 3

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.*Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.*When Christ,*who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Colossians 2

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances

Those who are born of God are dead and their life is hid with Christ, and we are dead from the rudiments of the world, but Jesus was born of God in the womb and had the Spirit from birth, and he was dead to the flesh from the beginning. He didn't succumb to lusts of the flesh, or this world in any way whatsoever he was dead to it all.

He was dead to it all, that's what I mean by he was dead before he went on the cross, not that he didn't eat or drink etc!

And there's this

Romans 6

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

I hope you can see what I mean. But if you can't then ok, I can't explain any more than I have already.

 

[marhig]

Why do people want to make it so mysterious, when it says to keep it simple. Jesus said the Father is the only true God. Jesus said that we have the very same God and the very same Father that He does. Paul backed Jesus up with for us there is only one God the Father.

2 Cor 11:3
3But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
(NKJ)


John 17:1-3
1Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
2"as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
3"And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
(NKJ)

John 20:17
17Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.'"
(NKJ)

1 Cor 8:5-7
5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
6yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
7However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
(NKJ)

Great post

 

[God's Truth]

Oh my word, I can't believe that you don't know what I mean about Jesus being dead to the flesh and this world! And you think I mean eating and drinking etc. No, I don't mean that he didn't eat and drink etc.

I don't mean dead as you and GT see dead to mean.

We know what you mean and it is still inappropriate.

How many times do I have to bring up the scripture where Jesus calls LIVING people 'dead' because they do not know him?

Matthew 8:22 But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."

We have to put Jesus first and that is what makes us alive.

Jesus put God the Father first and he, Jesus, was alive.

You keep saying Jesus was dead and find nothing wrong with saying it.

 

[God's Truth]

Why is it inappropriate to explain what I mean, when you seem to think that I mean that Jesus was dead in sin, or like lifeisgood thinks I mean dead as in he didn't eat or drink etc?

I'm trying to explain what I mean by Jesus being dead before he went to the cross, I'm sorry that you both don't understand me!

But, this is what I mean

Colossians 3

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.*Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.*When Christ,*who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Colossians 2

Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances

Those who are born of God are dead and their life is hid with Christ, and we are dead from the rudiments of the world, but Jesus was born of God in the womb and had the Spirit from birth, and he was dead to the flesh from the beginning. He didn't succumb to lusts of the flesh, or this world in any way whatsoever he was dead to it all.

He was dead to it all, that's what I mean by he was dead before he went on the cross, not that he didn't eat or drink etc!

And there's this

Romans 6

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

I hope you can see what I mean. But if you can't then ok, I can't explain any more than I have already.

Popsthebuilder, you need to know when to stand up for one and not the other. It is not clear when you try to stifle truth for the sake of not offending marhig.

 

[marhig]

We know what you mean and it is still inappropriate.

How many times do I have to bring up the scripture where Jesus calls LIVING people 'dead' because they do not know him?

Matthew 8:22 But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."

We have to put Jesus first and that is what makes us alive.

Jesus put God the Father first and he, Jesus was alive.

You keep saying Jesus was dead and find nothing wrong with saying it.

No, I don't find anything wrong with what I'm saying, in the context of how I'm saying it!

If I was saying Jesus was dead, as in dead in sin then yes, I'd understand you. But I'm not, I'm saying totally the opposite. And to be honest, if you think what I'm saying is inappropriate then you don't understand me.

Jesus was dead, he was dead to the rudiments of the world, dead to sin, and dead to the lusts of the flesh, and that's what I mean by Jesus being dead, if you think that's an inappropriate thing for me to say, then sorry, but I don't agree with you. It's the truth!

 

[marhig]

Popsthebuilder, you need to know when to stand up for one and not the other. It is not clear when you try to stifle truth for the sake of not offending marhig.

Pops didn't say that I did, and he's not sticking up for anyone, why do you think he's sticking up for me?

 

[God's Truth]

Well, you, marhig, said Jesus was dead before he went on the cross.

You, marhig, are a rejecter of The Truth, denying His Sacrifice on the Cross of Calvary as the ONLY way TO BE SAVED and to STAY SAVED.

God didn't nail faith and obedience to the cross.

God nailed the old law to the cross WITH ITS CEREMONIAL WORKS.

That is how Jesus fulfilled the old law with its rules and regulations.

Colossians 2:14 having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross.