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God's Truth

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:doh: Do you even READ the bible??? Matthew 6:5And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their reward.

You tell us simply to 'pray in private' but that wasn't the message. You should listen to Him instead of ALWAYS running away from His Words half-loaded, half-cocked. You make your own messes on TOL. I'm not the only one who has brought this clearly to your attention. Teaching is a gift, it requires reading His Word and Memorizing it, THEN being pedantic (saying scripture as clear and word for word as possible). Then, being able to help another actually understand what it says instead of your knee-jerk grade school reactions. You are no-wise any of this, GT, and frankly, it shows. -Lon

I couldn't care any less what you think of me.

Matthew 6:6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
 

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Over my head... Answer this simple straight forward question;
Can you pray silently to GOD?

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1Sa 1:9 So Hannah rose up after they had eaten in Shiloh, and after they had drunk. Now Eli the priest sat upon a seat by a post of the temple of the LORD.
1Sa 1:10 And she was in bitterness of soul, and prayed unto the LORD, and wept sore.
1Sa 1:11 And she vowed a vow, and said, O LORD of hosts, if thou wilt indeed look on the affliction of thine handmaid, and remember me, and not forget thine handmaid, but wilt give unto thine handmaid a man child, then I will give him unto the LORD all the days of his life, and there shall no razor come upon his head.
1Sa 1:12 And it came to pass, as she continued praying before the LORD, that Eli marked her mouth.
1Sa 1:13 Now Hannah, she spake in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard: therefore Eli thought she had been drunken.
1Sa 1:14 And Eli said unto her, How long wilt thou be drunken? put away thy wine from thee.
1Sa 1:15 And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD.
1Sa 1:16 Count not thine handmaid for a daughter of Belial: for out of the abundance of my complaint and grief have I spoken hitherto.
1Sa 1:17 Then Eli answered and said, Go in peace: and the God of Israel grant thee thy petition that thou hast asked of him.
1Sa 1:18 And she said, Let thine handmaid find grace in thy sight. So the woman went her way, and did eat, and her countenance was no more sad.

1Sa 1:19 And they rose up in the morning early, and worshipped before the LORD, and returned, and came to their house to Ramah: and Elkanah knew Hannah his wife; and the LORD remembered her.
1Sa 1:20 Wherefore it came to pass, when the time was come about after Hannah had conceived, that she bare a son, and called his name Samuel, saying, Because I have asked him of the LORD.

The verses in bold refer to the answering of the high priest Jesus to the Christian today.

It is not a matter of presumption but of hearing Him speak to you.

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God's Truth

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Those two verses aren't placed together for your context.
Even demons believe there is one God, then do something, they shudder.

Faith alone is dead and cannot save anyone.

That is from the scriptures.
They stand together in testimony against you.

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James says that God favors no one and to judge a man by his flesh is wicked.

Colossians 3:23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. 25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.

Romans 2:5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.


It's you that judge if others obey or not

Who do you think you are fooling by saying that?

Do you really not know we are to obey God?

1 Corinthians 5:2 For what have I to do to judge them also that are outside? do not you judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 5:3 Although I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit, and I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present.

1 Corinthians 5:13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked person from among you."

while you fill you fat self righteousness with pride and boast of your obedience.

Is Jesus' death, Burial and resurrection enough to pay for a sinners entire debt of sin, if one believes that it is?

1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “the Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”
 

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I couldn't care any less what you think of me.

Matthew 6:6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Matthew 23:3 So do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice
 

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John 1:1

John 1:3

Philippians 2

Revelation 5:13, 14

Bible correctors are like Genesis 3's serpent. No.


Rev 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
 

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Even demons believe there is one God, then do something, they shudder.

Faith alone is dead and cannot save anyone.

That is from the scriptures.


lol



Colossians 3:23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. 25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.

Romans 2:5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.




Who do you think you are fooling by saying that?

Do you really not know we are to obey God?

1 Corinthians 5:2 For what have I to do to judge them also that are outside? do not you judge them that are within?

1 Corinthians 5:3 Although I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit, and I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present.

1 Corinthians 5:13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked person from among you."



1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

1 John 5:18 We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him.

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “the Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.”

I do not judge you, but your own words will. May grace see you home! May grace still your self deceived tongue.
 

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Rev 4:9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Revelation 1:18
 

glorydaz

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The Lord Jesus Christ is the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Once again, God's UNtruth perverts the scripture by taking a verse out of context. She has been claiming that Jesus is the Father and here she is claiming Jesus is the Holy Spirit, when this verse says no such thing. It shows clearly that she has no spiritual understanding whatsoever.

She is trying to claim the verse speaks of Jesus being the Holy Spirit....rather in context, we see Paul is speaking of the letter and spirit of the law. Jesus is indeed the LIFE we receive through the preaching of the Gospel...begotten by the Gospel via the Holy Spirit.

2 Cor. 17:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.​
 

God's Truth

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Once again, God's UNtruth perverts the scripture by taking a verse out of context. She has been claiming that Jesus is the Father and here she is claiming Jesus is the Holy Spirit, when this verse says no such thing. It shows clearly that she has no spiritual understanding whatsoever.

She is trying to claim the verse speaks of Jesus being the Holy Spirit....rather in context, we see Paul is speaking of the letter and spirit of the law. Jesus is indeed the LIFE we receive through the preaching of the Gospel...begotten by the Gospel via the Holy Spirit.

2 Cor. 17:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.​

Just believe what is plainly written:

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

2 Corinthians 3:18 And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into His image with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father.

Romans 8:14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

There is only one Divine Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;

Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.
Jesus says that he himself will live in us. That could only be if the Holy Spirit is him.

John 17:26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

This scripture says that Jesus would be called Wonderful Counselor. That is what the Holy Spirit is called.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Jesus is the Spirit. All these scriptures tell us Jesus is the Spirit.

Revelation 2:7, 8, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22; 14:13; 22:17.

1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit.
This scripture says the Spirit gives life;

2 Corinthians 3:6 says the Spirit gives life.

Jesus gives life!

See John 5:21.
 
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marhig

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Blah, Blah, Blah

You pretend to speak grace, but works and denial that God was Manifested in flesh and remains resurrected in our flesh is your core message.

Even demons can wax eloquent, but you are a parrot that would speak books to be heard, but the lies within your message are Spiritually fatal.


I've never once denied that God was manifest in the flesh, God being manifest through Christ Jesus and Jesus being God is completely different!

Christ is made manifest though us, are we then Christ? No we're not! Christ by the Spirit of God is within, and God has never been resurrected because he's always been alive, God has resurrected those born of him by the Spirit, through Christ.

And this is the lie that is spiritually fatal, once saved always saved. Sin and surely you won't die, false teaching from a false gospel!

And that truly born of God will be living it out as not just speaking it with lips of vanity!

Btw are you also EE aka nameless in grace by any chance?
 
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marhig

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The Lord Jesus Christ is the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Jesus himself lives in the saved.

How do you get that Jesus himself lives in us if he is not God?

Christ is made manifest through the Holy Spirit. Christ is not the father! They communicate with one another, they are not the same, i don't pray to myself, or ask myself for help and I'm not under subjection to myself etc. These are things that Jesus did with the father thus he is not the father.


So are you saying there is no difference between Christ and us?

No I'm saying that the father was in Christ and he is in us too, by the power of the Holy Spirit.

That scripture does not say Christ is not God.

There are many scriptures that tell us that Christ is God.

As I have shown you, the Lord is the Spirit.

No and it doesn't say that he is God either, but those scriptures show that the father is God, and that God is in and through Christ Jesus, not that he is God. Also, there are many many scriptures that show us that God is also the God and father of Jesus Christ. How can you not see all the scriptures, that can clearly show that the father isn't the son?

But there are many scriptures which show us that Jesus is the son of God, and according to Jesus and the apostles, that's what I am to believe to be saved and none of them say that I have to believe that Jesus is God to be saved. So I believe what Jesus taught us to believe by Jesus himself! That he is the son of God and that he is the Christ!

If that's not good enough for you and others then so be it, but according to Jesus it is, and I hear and follow him and no-one else!
 

popsthebuilder

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This is my vindication and that [MENTION=14521]God's Truth[/MENTION] liked it should make much clear. You have just called Christ's sacrifice (Self Righteous Suicide)

Yes, I rebuke you for spitting on Jesus! You have turned the free grace of God into a licence to sin.

That is what grace is to you. It isn't forgiveness for your life debt of sin, it is an okay for sinners to sin. You define it as such and now have those verses aligned against you.

I retain that you are a deceiver and see that you are wicked in expressing what God did for us. You should be reported for this post, but it is the reveal of your hearts wicked thoughts and your unmasking is sufficient.
I'm sorry you don't like the way I worded it.

But if the traditional Trinitsrian doctrine is true as man would have you believe then it means the eternal god sent himself to be a blood sacrifice for himself so man can not change from faith and knowingly continue in sin.

If that isn't what you believe then correct me.

You can take prices and parts of my words and make it seem how ever you want. It doesn't change the truth that begotten isn't eternal. It doesn't change the fact that eternal means without death. It doesn't change the fact the the Christ of GOD called himself the son of man because it explains that He, in flesh, was not the utter fullness of GOD.

NOW REPORT ME BECAUSE YOU CANT EXPLAIN ME AWAY WITHOUT TJROWING OUT YOUR SPOON FED LIES AMD IDOL WORSHIP.



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popsthebuilder

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Spoken exactly as a natural man without any spiritual understanding.

1. Jesus didn't "kill himself", He laid down his life and He took it up again. John 10:18

2. Acknowledging Jesus is the Lord God "manifest in the flesh" is what it means to "confess Him" as Lord. 1 Timothy 3:16

3. The fact that believers have been DELIVERED FROM THE LAW makes your statement about knowingly "sinning" a moot point....one the accuser of the brethren is known for. That you make it, is quite telling. Romans 7:6




He did NOT expressly say otherwise. And the fact that boasting is EXCLUDED by the Law of Faith is so that in the ages to come, all the glory will go to our Lord God and His great mercy and grace. Eph. 2:7-8. It's why salvation is a GIFT, and all your claims it can be earned is a lie right out of the pits of hell.

In fact, it's antichrist to deny that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. As John tells us in his gospel, In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with God and the WORD WAS GOD. John 1:1 Those who deny that are ANTICHRIST.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.​

This is the Lord God Almighty talking. "They shall look upon ME whom they have pierced", and you dare to say He did not come in the flesh. :nono:

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.​

Who denies He came in the flesh?

Okay, He didn't kill himself bit was murdered by the hands of man willingly.

So how does god die at all?

You people act as if I deny that the Holy Spirit filled the Christ of GOD, because I say the man Jesus wasn't literally the utter fullness of GOD as he was man. All scripture verifies this if you cared to see past your own force fed lies you so eagerly and naively devour up.

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popsthebuilder

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'Son of God' is understood among the entirety of the New Testament as 'God the Son'- I'm about tired of these recreations and otherwise nonsense of Jesus' divinity_
Son denoted beggoten nature.

I'm tired of people turning a blind eye to the obvious truth in favor of lies told by man in a building for money

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