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popsthebuilder
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Question;
If you believed the life of a loved one to be in imminent danger would you do anything about it?
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Of course not.
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. - 2 Timothy 3:16-17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Timothy3:16-17&version=NKJV
The reason I make the distinction is that Paul is writing to a different audience than the other authors of the Bible.
A distinction Paul himself makes.
Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all - Romans 4:16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans4:16&version=NKJV
Paul also explains what I've been trying to say in the following verses. NOTE: Genesis 15, Genesis 17.
(as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations” ) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb.He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God,and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform.And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.” - Romans 4:17-22 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans4:17-22&version=NKJV
popsthebuilder
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, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
What distinction?
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Paul does preach obedience.
1 Corinthians 10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
7 Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.” 8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.
11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come. 12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall!
Colossians 3:23 Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart, as working for the Lord, not for human masters, 24 since you know that you will receive an inheritance from the Lord as a reward. It is the Lord Christ you are serving. 25 Anyone who does wrong will be repaid for their wrongs, and there is no favoritism.
2 Thessalonians 3:14 Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed.
2 Thessalonians 3:6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.
1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
1 Corinthians 11:31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment.
1 Corinthians 9:25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.
2 Corinthians 12:21 I am afraid that when I come again my God will humble me before you, and I will be grieved over many who have sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in which they have indulged.
Philippians 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling
1 Corinthians 5:2 And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this?
1 Corinthians 5:13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked person from among you."
...and many more.
I bolded above whom he was distiguishing from the other.
Those who are of the law (Israel)(Genesis 17) and those who are of the faith of Abraham (those who believe, ie, the Body of Christ)(Genesis 15).
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When Jesus walked the earth he taught the Jews to be in him. Jesus taught that by telling them to eat his flesh and drink his blood. Jesus taught that by saying he will put them in him and he will live in them.
popsthebuilder
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You are missing my point. Read the entire sentence; it says all. The Jew and those of the seed of Abraham. It refers to each and every person on earth. No distinction.
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Here is the verse again, so that you can read it clearly:
Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all - Romans 4:16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans4:16&version=NKJV
It says "all the seed", or offspring, not only those of the law, but also those of the faith.
The Jews are the physical seed (offspring) of Abraham. (Genesis 17)
The Believers are the seed (offspring) of Abraham in their faith. (Genesis 15)
It refers to all those whom Abraham is the father of, those of the law, and those of the faith. That is most certainly not every person on earth. Yet in saying all, Paul distinguishes between those of law, and those of faith. They're all offspring of Abraham, but those of the law are not those of the faith.
Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all - Romans 4:16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans4:16&version=NKJV
It says "all the seed", or offspring, not only those of the law, but also those of the faith.
The Jews are the physical seed (offspring) of Abraham. (Genesis 17)
The Believers are the seed (offspring) of Abraham in their faith. (Genesis 15)
It refers to all those whom Abraham is the father of, those of the law, and those of the faith. That is most certainly not every person on earth. Yet in saying all, Paul distinguishes between those of law, and those of faith. They're all offspring of Abraham, but those of the law are not those of the faith.
popsthebuilder
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Yet they are of the seed of Abraham and included in the words of St Paul making no actual distinction.
Do you see what I am getting at?
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I think so.
My point is that, while there is no longer a distinction in the Body of Christ between Jew or Gentile, there was a distinction in the past at some point, which is where many people (including, and especially GT) go wrong when reading the Bible.
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There is no distinction.
Through Jesus the two groups become one.
Ephesians 2:14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,
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There is only one Spirit, and Jesus Christ is that Spirit.
That means God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all exactly the same.
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Judgerightly, you said Paul did not teach works. I brought you all these scriptures and now I would like you to acknowledge them.
Don't be afraid of learning something True about God.
You can easily see from the scriptures that Paul taught for us to obey.
I am already working on a response to that post. Please be patient.
You apparently didn't read what I said. Though there IS NO LONGER a distinction, there was a distinction in the past.
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She never does.
Very many do not understand this in the slightest.
Rosenritter
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It's OK to leave it off topic for a bit. Maybe if some consensus is reached on other topics, and people are talking nicely, it will spill over into the original post topic later.
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People who complain about something being off topic have used it to ban me.