The Trinity

[God's Truth]

You apparently didn't read what I said. Though there IS NO LONGER a distinction, there was a distinction in the past.

lol The distinction was gone when Jesus was crucified.

 

[God's Truth]

She never does.


Very many do not understand this in the slightest.

Is that all you are going to do now is give us your worthless opinions about me instead of speaking about God's Truth?

 

[God's Truth]

I am already working on a response to that post. Please be patient.

You need to say so then without the rebuke.

 

[Bright Raven]

You need to say so then without the rebuke.

Have you believed in the truth of the Trinity yet?

 

[lifeisgood]

An unbeliever can obey.

John 7:17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

Look at that scripture more carefully.
Jesus says anyone. That means ANYONE. Anyone who chooses to do what God says...they will find out whether Jesus' teachings are from God OR NOT.

That is about an unbeliever. If it is not about an unbeliever, then why does Jesus say they WILL FIND OUT whether or not his words are from God?

It is about someone who does not yet know...or, someone who has not yet believed that Jesus' words are from God.

Did you include Satan in your dissertation?

 

[lifeisgood]

Her and I have spoken about this very topic in a couple of occasions. Her belief is based on scripture and is too true.

I, as an atheist, did not "believe" in GOD or Jesus or the Christ when I was initially saved. I had however heard of such. In sincere desperation and acknowledgement of depravity I earnestly pleaded to GOD and Jesus for help. I don't know if I could technically be called an atheist after said prayer and desperation and hope, but I still wasn't technically a believer when I was later given faith freely, until I actually received it.

This isn't word foreword scripture but it does seem to be in agreement with scripture.



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Seem.........just doesn't cut it.

 

[lifeisgood]

Continued faith is required. Is faith a work?

Luke 9:62 KJV
(62) And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

James 2:17-18 KJV
(17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
(18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

There are more passages along that theme. If we are being technical, no one is saved (from death) until they are literally saved from death, made immortal, changed from corruption to incorruption. Until then we still die. We are saved in belief now, in the sense that we can speak of that salvation in the present tense because the promise is sure. That promise, however, is conditional upon continued faith. Thus the "hand to the plough, and looking back" that Christ speaks of.

Faith is not a work. Do we have faith that the Lord will accept us, in spite of all our stupidities? If we don't have faith that He will, then we are working to earn it.

 

[lifeisgood]

Actually the real unbeliever is the one shown truth and given faith, yet who throws it over his shoulder as if it is of no worth nor consequence.


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So, now we have distinctions of UNbelievers. Got it.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Seem.........just doesn't cut it.

Excuse me?

What are you attempting to say exactly?

peace

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[lifeisgood]

Wouldn't rejecting a gift be as if you never received it?

No.

As in one rejecting the free gift of salvation would not have effectual faith, and too be the one not changing due to reception of said gift.

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The gift is still at the door.....and has already been paid for. It will forever be a gift and it will never change. The gift has absolutely nothing to do with humankind. It is ALL of it of God.

 

[popsthebuilder]

So, now we have distinctions of UNbelievers. Got it.

I hope you do get it.

The principalities would have you think those destined for eternal destruction are those ignorant of the truth.

I tell you now that this is not the case. Ignorance is not a sin, and there is but one sin unto death. The ignorant cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit, and though they may attempt to make the Spirit of GOD out to be evil in their ignorant assumptions, it is those who do know, yet actively and knowingly go against and lead others away from the Will of GOD as it pertains to man that are in real danger.

peace

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[lifeisgood]

Excuse me?

What are you attempting to say exactly?

peace

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You used the word 'seem' in your post and 'seem' just doesn't cut it. God does not work in the 'seem' world. Will God say, "Well, it 'seem' that popsthebuilder is saved"?
Will God say, "Well, it 'seem' that lifeisgood is saved"?

 

[popsthebuilder]

No.



The gift is still at the door.....and has already been paid for. It will forever be a gift and it will never change. The gift has absolutely nothing to do with humankind. It is ALL of it of God.

That is illogical.

A gift for a receiver has nothing to do with the receiver? Strange.....could you attempt to clarify please?

peace

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[popsthebuilder]

You used the word 'seem' in your post and 'seem' just doesn't cut it. God does not work in the 'seem' world. Will God say, "Well, it 'seem' that popsthebuilder is saved"?
Will God say, "Well, it 'seem' that lifeisgood is saved"?

Seems is used within the context of the limits of human capacity rather than the utterly limitless capacities of GOD.

in other words; within my own limited capacity, I have found that the experiences that took place in my life, indeed align with what can be discerned from scripture.

peace

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[lifeisgood]

Jesus saves us all on his own.

Who is taking away the power that belongs only to Him?

He chooses whom he saves.

And how does he choose whom he saves? He makes sure that the one He chooses believes EXCLUSIVELY in Him and what He did at the Cross of Calvary.

He says he saves those who believe and obey.

NO! He says He saves those who BELIEVES in Him and His finished work on the Cross of Calvary, EXCLUSIVELY. Isaiah 57:12

 

[lifeisgood]

That is illogical.

A gift for a receiver has nothing to do with the receiver? Strange.....could you attempt to clarify please?

peace

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Illogical?

Do you, popsthebuilder, believe that humankind had anything to do with the gift which was decided in the confines of before the creation of the world?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Who is taking away the power that belongs only to Him?



And how does he choose whom he saves? He makes sure that the one He chooses believes EXCLUSIVELY in Him and what He did at the Cross of Calvary.



NO! He says He saves those who BELIEVES in Him and His finished work on the Cross of Calvary, EXCLUSIVELY. Isaiah 57:12

I haven't met any person of faith that denies Jesus finished his work. What are you getting at?

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[popsthebuilder]

Illogical?

Do you, popsthebuilder, believe that humankind had anything to do with the gift which was decided in the confines of before the creation of the world?

I believe it was and is for the sake of humankind, creation. Do you deny this?

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[lifeisgood]

I hope you do get it.

Yeah, I get that you make distinction.

The principalities would have you think those destined for eternal destruction are those ignorant of the truth.

The 'principalities' have absolutely nothing in conjunction with God's predestined plan of salvation. Please, don't give 'principalities' powers they do not have nor can ever attain to have and are always trying to attempt to possess it.

I tell you now that this is not the case. Ignorance is not a sin, and there is but one sin unto death.

Yeah, the sin of rejecting Christ Jesus and His finished work on the Cross of Calvary brought about by the Holy Spirit of God. Reject the gift the Holy Spirit brings, you are rejecting the Holy Spirit; therefore no hope of salvation.

The ignorant cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit,

Correct.

....it is those who do know, yet actively and knowingly go against and lead others away from the Will of GOD as it pertains to man that are in real danger.

peace

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Really!!! Only those who know and lead others away from the will of God, got it.

 

[lifeisgood]

I believe it was and is for the sake of humankind, creation. Do you deny this?

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Yes! It was for the absolute desire of God and His desire ALONE. Humankind had absolutely nothing to do with it.