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Give scripture if you want to make that case.
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Give scripture if you want to make that case.
Dead humans do not. Meaning what gives the Body life is not physical. It's the spirit, or breath, aka "pneuma."
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. - Genesis 2:7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis2:7&version=NKJV
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A dead body is about it's spirit being in it no more.
God breathed our spirit into us.
And is the dead body a person anymore?
No, He breathed life into Adam and Eve. Every other human that has ever lived, their spirit was created at conception (which is one of the reasons why abortion is wrong).
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Of course not.
No. The spirit is what gives the body life.
You don't even know how much you contradict yourself.
You are confused and it shows.
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Job 32:8 But it is the spirit in a person, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding.
Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Hebrews 12:9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live!
Zechariah 12:1 A prophecy: The word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares:
Malachi 2:15 Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful to the wife of your youth.
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Hebrews 12:9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live!
Zechariah 12:1 A prophecy: The word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares:
Malachi 2:15 Has not the one God made you? You belong to him in body and spirit. And what does the one God seek? Godly offspring. So be on your guard, and do not be unfaithful to the wife of your youth.
James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
Literally what I said above:
And where does our spirit go when we die?
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Instead of just telling me how wrong I am, perhaps you could show me why?
I'm pretty sure that God created Adam and Eve in a way would facilitate the creation of more humans. But instead of God doing miracles every time a couple has sex, He made the process of creating a spirit a natural occurrence.
Or what, do you really think that God does a miracle and creates a spirit every time a man and a woman has sex?
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It is obvious you are not grasping the Truth.
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Our Spirit goes to be with Jesus in heaven, or it goes to hell/prison.
So then, based on what you said (and I agree with you), since:
1) So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.For we walk by faith, not by sight.We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. - 2 Corinthians 5:6-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians5:6-8&version=NKJV
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2) That a dead body is not a person, but has the spirit removed,
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3) That our spirit is what gives our bodies life,
Would it then stand to reason that we are our spirits, and that saying "humans have spirits inside them" (or similar), would be a poor way of describing the relationship between body and spirit?
Would it not be better to say that the human spirit lives inside of a fleshy shell?
Or better yet, why not just call it a tent?
Oh wait, Paul does...
For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. - 2 Corinthians 5:1-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians5:1-5&version=NKJV
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It sounds as if you are now saying you agree with everything I say.
We do have a spirit that lives inside our flesh bodies.
Sounds like you still want to argue about the truth.
Have you come around to understanding that our spirit looks like us except being see through?
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God breathed a spirit into Adam.
All humans have a spirit from God; He is the Father of our spirits.
Our spirits give our physical bodies life.
Our spirits look like us, it is affected by our appearance and changes and grows with our physical bodies.
When our body dies, our spirit goes to heaven to be with Jesus, or it goes to hell/prison.
That is pretty much a list of all the points I made, as shown by scripture.
All humans have a spirit from God; He is the Father of our spirits.
Our spirits give our physical bodies life.
Our spirits look like us, it is affected by our appearance and changes and grows with our physical bodies.
When our body dies, our spirit goes to heaven to be with Jesus, or it goes to hell/prison.
That is pretty much a list of all the points I made, as shown by scripture.
That's not what Paul says. He says:
For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. - 2 Corinthians 5:1-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians5:1-5&version=NKJV
In simpler terms, he says that we humans live inside a physical body. Not "a spirit lives in us."
Go read my above post more carefully please.
Our spirit doesn't "look" like us, it IS us!
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You are wrong.
Our spirit looks like our physical body.
When our body dies, our spirit lives on, it is see through, but when seen it looks just like we do, but without flesh and bones.
Let me quote what paul says again, see if I can get it through your thick skull:
For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee. - 2 Corinthians 5:1-5 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2Corinthians5:1-5&version=NKJV
Everything in that verse says that we dwell in a physical body, NOT that we have a spirit inside of us.
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You are arguing about nothing.
We are SPIRIT AND FLESH.
We have a spirit living inside our flesh.
Are you that dense you can't get that?
Here I am quoting to you exactly what scripture is saying, and you reject it out of hand. You are rejecting what the Bible says in favor of your own beliefs. The Bible says we are spirit living in flesh. It does not say that we have a spirit living inside us (other than the Holy Spirit).
Accept what scripture says, you heretic.
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You are ignorant and a brawler.
I gave you scripture that we are spirit and flesh. I gave you scripture that says our spirit is inside of our physical body. You say the Bible says we are spirit living in flesh.
That flesh IS OUR BODY.
You also say it does not say that we have a spirit living inside us other than the Holy Spirit.
I don't know if you can be taught.
You say we are our spirit, and then you say the only Spirit we have is the Holy Spirit.
You are a mess.