KingdomRose
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...and is God.
Get that part and you'll be right.
You simpletons! How can God HAVE a God? You jerk the chains of sanity!
...and is God.
Get that part and you'll be right.
It has been explained to Bright Raven and the others many times in previous threads just what "worship" entails, depending on to whom one is directing that worship, and what that person's intentions are. Someone might "worship" an authority figure by merely offering a movement (such as a bow) denoting respect, and this is what we are to do to those who demand respect. (Romans 13:7) When we are in a courtroom and we hear "All rise" when the judge walks in, we rise. We are rendering him respect, and that is a form of "worship," in the Bible's sense of the word, in that instance. Yet we are not doing so with the intention of thinking of him as God. We worship God in a different way. We worship God as the Almighty, above all other "gods" that command obeisance.
Bright Raven knows this, yet he delights in playing the devil's advocate and trying to keep conflict going where there need not be any.
You simpletons! How can God HAVE a God? You jerk the chains of sanity!
John 10:30 30 I and My Father are one.” And John 17:3 ... And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
So... um... er... lookey here... He just linked Himself to the Father in the verse that clearly supports Lon.
Next?
Jesus, God the Son of God, submits to God, the Father of God the Son of God.You simpletons! How can God HAVE a God? You jerk the chains of sanity!
"That his disciples may be one" does not continue "with the Father just as Christ is one with the Father". It is a separate statement. The disciples should be one group of people, just like Christ is one with His Father.I have posted to you many times just what John 10:30 means. It is in line with John 17:20-23, which says that Jesus prays to the Father that his disciples may be "one" just as he is "one" with the Father. You insist on ignoring that. If the disciples can be "one" with the Father, then, according to you, they are also God. Can you explain that, Evil?
"That his disciples may be one" does not continue "with the Father just as Christ is one with the Father". It is a separate statement. The disciples should be one group of people, just like Christ is one with His Father.
:nono: Heb 1:8To respond to JudgeRightly's post #7613:
Yes, sir, your last few words are exactly what the best translation is. "Your throne, the God," meaning "Your throne = the God", or, "Your throne is God." The same exact thing as "God is your throne." The verses are saying that the Son's throne gets its power and authority from God. That's it, pure and simple. All of your extra words are unnecessary and meaningless.
"That his disciples may be one" does not continue "with the Father just as Christ is one with the Father". It is a separate statement. The disciples should be one group of people, just like Christ is one with His Father.
To respond to post #7613:
Yes, sir, your last few words are exactly what the best translation is. "Your throne, the God," meaning "Your throne = the God", or, "Your throne is God." The same exact thing as "God is your throne." The verses are saying that the Son's throne gets its power and authority from God. That's it, pure and simple. All of your extra words are unnecessary and meaningless.
That is not what John 17:20-23 says. The disciples were to be one WITH THE FATHER AND JESUS. :idea: Has the light come on yet?
No. That light is an assumption, perpetrated by Arians and Unitarians and Mormons who all want to be 'gods' not have a God. The end of every cult dream is a planet of your own, NOT one-ness fellowship with the Father and Son. If you were thinking about His oneness, you'd realize love is unity with Him. The Son is God and always was. He was never created. At least Keypurr understands this part. We were never 'spirit' children waiting for human bodies. We are finite creations of God. Jesus is not. From forever to forever He is the same. 1 Timothy 6:16That is not what John 17:20-23 says. The disciples were to be one WITH THE FATHER AND JESUS. :idea: Has the light come on yet?
We were never 'spirit' children waiting for human bodies. We are finite creations of God.
You simpletons! How can God HAVE a God? You jerk the chains of sanity!
You should view God the way He portrays Himself in the Bible.
No, Keypurr, there is only one God and Lord, God the Father and Son and Holy Spirit.
They are one and the same, as I've shown you countless times in this thread.
I literally just told you why Jesus calls His Father His God.
Jesus is submissive to His Father, and since His father is ALSO God, then it stands to reason that Jesus would call His Father God, in submission to Him.
Then you should have found another church, not abandon her entirely...
No. That light is an assumption, perpetrated by Arians and Unitarians and Mormons who all want to be 'gods' not have a God. The end of every cult dream is a planet of your own, NOT one-ness fellowship with the Father and Son. If you were thinking about His oneness, you'd realize love is unity with Him. The Son is God and always was. He was never created. At least Keypurr understands this part. We were never 'spirit' children waiting for human bodies. We are finite creations of God. Jesus is not. From forever to forever He is the same. 1 Timothy 6:16
The only way God can have a God is to be a god.Let us look at this verse and we can find the answer as to how God can have a God:
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men" (Phil.2:5-7).
Before the Lord Jesus was born of Mary He was in "the form of God." On earth He was made like us in all things and made under the law and was sent to serve the Father. Since He was under the Law like all Jews He worshipped the God of Israel. So that is how God has a God. And this passage proves that the Lord Jesus is God:
"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom" (Heb.1:8).