The Trinity

The Trinity

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keypurr

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Jerry Shugart said:
Then why do we read that it was the "son of Man" who came down from heaven?:

"And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man which is in heaven" (Jn.3:16).​
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The son of man is the logos, not Jesus. It is difficult for folks to see that the son sent was not the human Jesus. The spirit son, the express image of the Father, came down to live in the body God provided for it. Heb 10:5.

Jesus is the sinless human Lamb of God. The sacrifice. The only one God could trust the power of his fullness in. Christ is the logos, not Jesus. Jesus became the Christ when he was anointed with the Christ. The logos spoke through Jesus.

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jamie said:
Not true.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. (Colossians 1:15)​

Firstborn, not first created. Anyone born has a father and a mother. It's been that way for some time now.
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Is he not called an image here, is he not called a creature in the KJV?

It is true Jamie.

God was alone at one point, then he created his son.
The son that was created in the exact image was not Jesus.
Many years later Adam was created and considered the son of God.

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jamie said:
All things were created by God through Christ, and Christ was later made flesh through Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ.
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That is what the church taught me also, but they are wrong.

God created all through his spirit son, the logos.

Jesus was thirty years old, like other Rabbis, when he was anointed with the logos.

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keypurr said:
No, I am saying Jesus became the Christ at his anointing.

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Keypurr, could you explain your entire stance briefly? I plan on being on Bob Enyart Live on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday, depending on when they call me, and This is one of the topics I want to talk with Bob about, mainly your position, but I'm not entirely sure what you believe, except that you believe that Jesus and Christ are two separate beings. What about the rest of the Trinity?

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keypurr said:
No, I am saying Jesus became the Christ at his anointing.

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Jesus is and always has been the Christ. I've shown that to you many times. They are not two different entities. They are synonymous, one in the same. Otherwise you need to take your black marker and mark out Jesus or Christ in the 258 times it appears in the New Testament. The only thing that happened at His baptism was an anointing for ministry, nothing else.
 
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JudgeRightly said:
Keypurr, could you explain your entire stance briefly? I plan on being on Bob Enyart Live on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday, depending on when they call me, and This is one of the topics I want to talk with Bob about, mainly your position, but I'm not entirely sure what you believe, except that you believe that Jesus and Christ are two separate beings. What about the rest of the Trinity?

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I believe God created his exact image, gave it his fullness, then created everything through it. I see is image as a spirit son for God is a spirit. I believe Jesus to be the body provided by God to hold this spirit son. This logos spoke through Jesus. The true Christ is this spirit son, the first of all creation for all things were created through it. Heb 10:5 tells us the the spirit son needed a body. Jesus is that pure sinless body who could be the Lamb of God and God felt that it was safe to put the power of Christ into him.

I do not believe in the Trinity friend. I believe in God the Father as the only true God, and Jesus Christ his son. Jesus the mam and Christ the logos in him. I see the Holy Spirit as the power force of the Father.

I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ.


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keypurr said:
I believe God created his exact image, gave it his fullness, then created everything through it. I see is image as a spirit son for God is a spirit. I believe Jesus to be the body provided by God to hold this spirit son. This logos spoke through Jesus. The true Christ is this spirit son, the first of all creation for all things were created through it. Heb 10:5 tells us the the spirit son needed a body. Jesus is that pure sinless body who could be the Lamb of God and God felt that it was safe to put the power of Christ into him.

I do not believe in the Trinity friend. I believe in God the Father as the only true God, and Jesus Christ his son. Jesus the mam and Christ the logos in him. I see the Holy Spirit as the power force of the Father.

I love the God of my Lord Jesus Christ.


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Thank you.

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meshak said:
Why is it so important to you that Jesus and Christ are not the same, Keypurr?
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Jesus is a man, he did not create the worlds.

Christ, the logos, is the express image of his Father who is a spirit. That makes Christ a spirit, but that spirit lowered himself to take the form of man in the body provided for him, that is Jesus. The logos is a created form of God, highest of all creation, made so much better than the angels. It was the logos who spoke through Jesus and brought us light.

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keypurr said:
Jesus is a man, he did not create the worlds.

Christ, the logos, is the express image of his Father who is a spirit. That makes Christ a spirit, but that spirit lowered himself to take the form of man in the body provided for him, that is Jesus. The logos is a created form of God, highest of all creation, made so much better than the angels. It was the logos who spoke through Jesus and brought us light.

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You did not answer my question, friend.
 
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Col 1:12-16
12 giving thanks to the Father(God) who has qualified us to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in the light.
13 He(Father) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son(Jesus) of His love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His(Jesus) blood, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him(Jesus) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him(Jesus) and for Him(Jesus).
(NKJ)
 
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