The Trinity

[1Mind1Spirit]

Who is part and parcel with the being we call GOD!!!! ONE part of THREE!

If yuh ask me you shoulda put the exclamation marks after part and parcel.

Charitable as I can be, please don't hold it against me.

 

[glorydaz]

Who is part and parcel with the being we call GOD!!!! ONE part of THREE!

"To wit".....three persons in one Diving Being. :thumb:

 

[Lon]

Sorry darlin', you can't have it both ways.

There is only one God and he sent his son.

John 1:1 IS both ways. You see it. I know you do!

If yuh ask me you shoulda put the exclamation marks after part and parcel.

Charitable as I can be, please don't hold it against me.

As long as you keep looking at scriptures with us and praying over them as is your manner, you are doing alright and the charity is seen :up:

Par for the course.

Or maybe the last bogie before the run of birdies?

I believe, his sin was striking God. He knew he wasn't doing the water therefore it was a strike against God, if I reckon correctly.

Are you thinking of the stone tablets prior? And/or killing of the Egyptian? For a 'stiff-necked' people, I'm somewhat surprised he managed to as good a mediator as he was. I'm sure, at least, I could do no better :e4e:

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

I believe, his sin was striking God. He knew he wasn't doing the water therefore it was a strike against God, if I reckon correctly.

I think the sin was striking it twice as well as adlibbing.

Are you thinking of the stone tablets prior? And/or killing of the Egyptian? For a 'stiff-necked' people, I'm somewhat surprised he managed to as good a mediator as he was. I'm sure, at least, I could do no better :e4e:

I'm thinking that since Moses struck it twice at the time the peoples' faith was waning, saying is the LORD among us?

This.....

Galatians 4:19 19

My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you,

 

[keypurr]

People that are home-bound tend to withdraw within themselves, becoming quite self-absorbed to the point of being unable to accommodate any other view that has pervaded their isolation. It is just too overwhelming to the worldview they have constructed in their minds. Like hoarders who think every little trinket is vital to their happiness.

Where is our resident psychologist, @Ktoyou, when you need her?

AMR

Keypurr is far from homebound. Just more of your baloney AMR. I have been in your traditional garbage and it does not smell good to me. It has many loopholes.

Do you ever just think for yourself?

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[keypurr]

Here is one verse for Pops that is used to prove the Trinity.

Matthew 28:19 New International Version (NIV)

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Even if this verse was not altered where does it say they were all God?

You need to study more.

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[keypurr]

Jesus had all power. He is God.

All power was GIVEN to him, if he was God he would not need to have it given to him.
Don't you think BR?

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[keypurr]

I am leaning towards your idea , I am not a very religious man but I do cater to the idea of a creator. Astrophysics now say that the Universe did not happen suddenly but show signs of design , so that would implement a designer. ? In most fables or legends or stories lies a kernel of truth. The missing link to our supposedly ape ancestors has not be found , man went from all-fours to upright overnite along with brain size and the ability to make weapons and conquer fire ?

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You would be wise to listen to pops, he is much more advanced than most others here.

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[keypurr]

Good. What is explicit and what is implicit?

Another way: What is CRYSTAL clear here? What isn't that we rather 'put together?'




See also 1 Corinthians 15:24 "God" or "Father?"
See 1 Corinthians 15:47; 1:2 2 Corinthians 12:8

Then this: 1Co 10:9 Nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted Him and were destroyed by serpents. Numbers 21:5
Realize then the Apostle Paul calls the Lord Jesus Christ "God." The Lord Jesus Christ is not the Father. The Father is God. The Son is God. There is only one God.

I'd expect every Arian and JW to accept these scripture truths without reservation.

Come on baby let's do the twist...........Chubby Checker

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[drbrumley]

All power was GIVEN to him, if he was God he would not need to have it given to him.
Don't you think BR?

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word games huh?

 

[Lon]

Come on baby let's do the twist...........Chubby Checker

A bit late to the game. If you'd but have read just a bit more:

:doh: YOU are better than this. READ it, 1Mind!


1Co 10:9 Nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted Him and were destroyed by serpents. Numbers 21:5

How well did you do in English class? Good enough, right? You KNOW what this is saying! :mmph: You KNOW!

Then, when he wasn't satisfied, this:

You can look this up: 1Corinthians 10:9 μηδὲ ἐκπειράζωμεν τὸν Χριστόν, καθώς καὶ τινες αὐτῶν ἐπείρασαν καὶ ὑπὸ τῶν ὄφεων ἀπώλοντο.

αὐτῶν isn't 'necessary' if you understand they tested 'him' (Christ- Χριστόν). See the ending v on both? Means 'He.' I don't mind doubt, 1M1S. I do mind if we (you or I) stick to an idea that scripture doesn't support. Scripture supports this. It is this clear (thank you for addressing the text). -Lon

I'd expect every Arian and JW to accept these scripture truths without reservation.

 

[glorydaz]

You would be wise to listen to pops, he is much more advanced than most others here.

Yep, he's advanced all the way to the Quran. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

Keypurr is far from homebound. Just more of your baloney AMR. I have been in your traditional garbage and it does not smell good to me. It has many loopholes.

Do you ever just think for yourself?

I see your pride was injured. Surely you don't expect to be respected when you can't even understand the simplest things concerning the Nature of our great Lord God and Saviour?

 

[glorydaz]

I think the sin was striking it twice as well as adlibbing.

Man adding his own works is always bad.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Even if this verse was not altered where does it say they were all God?

You need to study more.

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Keypurr, throughout the OT God's prophets say, "Thus saith the LORD."

Yet NOT ONCE do we see that in the NT. Instead, we see Jesus saying, "I say unto you."

Spoiler

“Follow Me” 19x Mt. 4:19; 8:22; 10:38; 16:24; 19:21; Mk. 1:17; 2:14; 8:34; 10:21; Lk. 5:27; 9:59; 18:22; Jn. 1:43; 8:12; 10:27; 12:26; 13:36; 21:19, 22

Pray and act “in My name” 18xMt. 7:22; 18:5; 18:20; [24:5]; Mk. 9:37, 39, 41; [13:6]; Lk. 9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; Jn. 14:13?14; 15:16; 16:23?24, 26; Acts 9:15

“the Holy Spirit” comes “in My name” Jn. 14:26

“for My name’s sake” leave family and property Mt. 19:29; or even be killed 5xMt. 24:9; [Lk. 21:12, 17;] Jn. 15:21; Acts 9:16

Believe in the “name of the… Son” and “in the Son” 3x Jn. 3:18, 36; 9:35 and “in Him [Jesus]” 4x Jn. 3:18; 6:29, 40; 8:31

“believe in Me” 14x Mt. 18:6; Mk. 9:42; Jn. 3:15?16, 18; 6:35, 47; 7:38; 11:25, 26; 12:44, 46; 14:1, 12; 16:8; 17:20

You “are sanctified by faith in Me” Acts 26:18

Live “in Me” Jn. 11:26

“come after Me” Mk. 8:34; Lk. 14:27

Abide “in Me” Jn. 15:2, 4:5, 7 “abide in Me” or else Jn. 15:6 “abide in My love” Jn. 15:9?10

“where two or three are gathered,” Jesus is “there in the midst of them” Mt. 18:20

So too: “I [Jesus, will abide] in you” Jn. 15:4?5

“know that I am He” Jn. 8:28 or “if you do not believe that I am He you will die in your sins” Jn. 8:24

Do things “for My sake” Mt. 10:22, 39; even lose your life “for My sake” 4xMt. 16:25; Mk. 8:35; 10:29; Lk. 6:22

“I never knew you, depart from Me” Mt. 7:23

“I am willing; be cleansed” Mt. 8:3; Mk.. 1:41

”confess Me” Mt. 10:32; Lk. 12:8

Do not deny “Me” 7x Mt. 10:33; 26:34; Mk. 14:30, 72; Lk. 12:9; 22:34; Jn. 13:38

Do not be “ashamed of Me” Mk. 8:38; Lk. 9:26 nor "My words"

“love Me” 5x Jn. 14:15, 21, 23?24, 28

Do not reject “Me” Lk. 10:16; Jn. 12:48

“He who is not with Me is against Me” Lk. 11:23

Love Me “more than” your family members Mt. 10:37; [Lk. 14:26]

“I… have loved you” Jn. 15:9, 12

Be “worthy of Me” Mt. 10:37?38

“Come to Me” 5x Mt. 11:28; Lk. 6:47; Jn. 5:40; 6:35; 7:37

“I will give you rest” Mt. 11:28

“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light” Mt. 11:30

I am “greater than the temple” “than Jonah” “than Solomon” Mt. 12:6, 41?42

I am “Lord even of the Sabbath” Mt. 12:8; Mk. 2:28; Lk. 6:5 [Lord of God's Ten Commandments]

Thus He says keep “My commandments” 4x Jn. 14:15, 21; 15:10, 12

“You are My friends if you do whatever I command you” Jn. 15:14

“keep My word” Jn. 14:23?24

“He who is not with Me is against Me” Mt. 12:30

The angels are “His angels” Mt. 13:41; 16:27 and He commands “His angels” Mt. 24:31; Mk. 13:27

The kingdom is “His kingdom” Mt. 13:41 and He calls it “My kingdom” Lk. 22:30

Jesus called it “My church” Mt. 16:18 and believers are “My sheep” Jn. 10:14, 27 and they are “His elect” Mt. 24:31; Mk. 13:27

Paul is a “vessel of Mine to bear My name” Acts 9:15

“all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine” Jn. 17:10

“My peace I give” Jn. 14:27 ”in Me you may have peace” Jn. 16:33

“My joy” should fill you Jn. 15:11

“Who do men say that I am?” Mt. 16:13; Mk. 8:27 “who do you say that I am?” Mt. 16:15

Receive “Me” Mt. 18:5; Mk. 9:37; Lk. 9:48

Heaven and earth will pass away but “My words” will never Mt. [5:18] 24:35; Mk. 13:31; Lk. 21:33

Tell others about Jesus Mk. 5:19

“you belong to Christ” Mk. 9:41

Hear “My sayings” and do them Lk. 6:47

Jesus has “His own glory” Lk. 9:26; [Jn. 2:11; 16:14] The Son is “glorified” 8x Jn. 11:4; 12:23; 13:31?32; [17:1, 5, 10 24]

“He who hears you hears Me” Lk. 10:16

Jesus expects praise, from stones if necessary 1x Lk. 19:37?40

Return “to Me” Lk. 22:32

Be “My disciple” Lk. 14:27; Jn. 8:31; 15:8 Forsake all to “be My disciple” Lk. 14:33 ”you are My disciples” Jn. 13:35

“I shall send… the [Holy] Spirit” Jn. 15:26; 16:7

The Holy Spirit “will testify of Me” Jn. 15:26

We read in John 5 and Luke 24 that “the Scriptures… testify of Me” Jn. 5:39; [Lk. 24:44]

“You [Apostles] also will bear witness [of Me] because you have been with Me” Jn. 15:27

Paul gives “testimony concerning Me” Acts 22:18; 23:11

“the Son gives life to whom He will” Jn. 5:21

“seek Me” Jn. 6:26

Serve “Me” Jn. 12:26

“all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father” Jn. 5:23

“I am the bread of life,” “of heaven,” “of God” Jn. 6: 32-33, 35, 41, [48,] 51

Just seeing Christ is reason enough to believe [Jn. 6:36] him” Jn. 6:56

Drink “My blood” and eat “My flesh” Jn. 6:53?54, 56

“I will raise him up at the last day” Jn. 6:40 for He is the resurrection

“The world… hates Me” Jn. 7:7

“I am the light of the world” Jn. 8:12; 9:5; 12:46

“I bear witness of Myself” 1x Jn. 8:13-14, 18

“know… Jesus Christ” for “eternal life” Jn. 17:3; [8:19; 10:10, 14]

“the Son makes you free” Jn. 8:36

“Abraham rejoiced to see My day” Jn. 8:56; “Before Abraham was, I AM” Jn. 8:58

Of believers, Christ said, “I know them” Jn. 10:27

“I give them eternal life” Jn. 10:28

“I am the resurrection and the life” Jn. 11:25

I “will draw all peoples to Myself” Jn. 12:32

“I will… receive you to Myself” Jn. 14:3

Be “Mine” Jn. 14:24

“I am the vine” Jn. 15:5

“without Me you can do nothing” Jn. 15:5

“You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you” Jn. 15:16

Those who oppress Christians are “persecuting Me” Acts 9:4?5; 22:7?8; 26:14?15
“because they have not known… Me” Jn. 16:3

The Spirit “will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it” Jn. 16:14

“All things that the Father has are Mine” Jn. 16:15

“the Father… loves you, because you have loved Me” Jn. 16:27

“If I will that he remain” Jn. 21:22

“I have overcome the world” Jn. 16:33

“I am the way” Jn. 14:6

“I am… the truth” Jn. 14:6

“I am… the life” Jn. 14:6

“I will… manifest Myself” Jn. 14:21

Jesus was either a blasphemer, or He was God Himself. There are no other possibilities.

 

[keypurr]

I see your pride was injured. Surely you don't expect to be respected when you can't even understand the simplest things concerning the Nature of our great Lord God and Saviour?

I care not about being respected by fools who are blinded by man made traditions.

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[keypurr]

Keypurr, throughout the OT God's prophets say, "Thus saith the LORD."

Yet NOT ONCE do we see that in the NT. Instead, we see Jesus saying, "I say unto you."

Spoiler

“Follow Me” 19x Mt. 4:19; 8:22; 10:38; 16:24; 19:21; Mk. 1:17; 2:14; 8:34; 10:21; Lk. 5:27; 9:59; 18:22; Jn. 1:43; 8:12; 10:27; 12:26; 13:36; 21:19, 22

Pray and act “in My name” 18xMt. 7:22; 18:5; 18:20; [24:5]; Mk. 9:37, 39, 41; [13:6]; Lk. 9:48; [21:8]; 24:47; Jn. 14:13?14; 15:16; 16:23?24, 26; Acts 9:15

“the Holy Spirit” comes “in My name” Jn. 14:26

“for My name’s sake” leave family and property Mt. 19:29; or even be killed 5xMt. 24:9; [Lk. 21:12, 17;] Jn. 15:21; Acts 9:16

Believe in the “name of the… Son” and “in the Son” 3x Jn. 3:18, 36; 9:35 and “in Him [Jesus]” 4x Jn. 3:18; 6:29, 40; 8:31

“believe in Me” 14x Mt. 18:6; Mk. 9:42; Jn. 3:15?16, 18; 6:35, 47; 7:38; 11:25, 26; 12:44, 46; 14:1, 12; 16:8; 17:20

You “are sanctified by faith in Me” Acts 26:18

Live “in Me” Jn. 11:26

“come after Me” Mk. 8:34; Lk. 14:27

Abide “in Me” Jn. 15:2, 4:5, 7 “abide in Me” or else Jn. 15:6 “abide in My love” Jn. 15:9?10

“where two or three are gathered,” Jesus is “there in the midst of them” Mt. 18:20

So too: “I [Jesus, will abide] in you” Jn. 15:4?5

“know that I am He” Jn. 8:28 or “if you do not believe that I am He you will die in your sins” Jn. 8:24

Do things “for My sake” Mt. 10:22, 39; even lose your life “for My sake” 4xMt. 16:25; Mk. 8:35; 10:29; Lk. 6:22

“I never knew you, depart from Me” Mt. 7:23

“I am willing; be cleansed” Mt. 8:3; Mk.. 1:41

”confess Me” Mt. 10:32; Lk. 12:8

Do not deny “Me” 7x Mt. 10:33; 26:34; Mk. 14:30, 72; Lk. 12:9; 22:34; Jn. 13:38

Do not be “ashamed of Me” Mk. 8:38; Lk. 9:26 nor "My words"

“love Me” 5x Jn. 14:15, 21, 23?24, 28

Do not reject “Me” Lk. 10:16; Jn. 12:48

“He who is not with Me is against Me” Lk. 11:23

Love Me “more than” your family members Mt. 10:37; [Lk. 14:26]

“I… have loved you” Jn. 15:9, 12

Be “worthy of Me” Mt. 10:37?38

“Come to Me” 5x Mt. 11:28; Lk. 6:47; Jn. 5:40; 6:35; 7:37

“I will give you rest” Mt. 11:28

“For My yoke is easy and My burden is light” Mt. 11:30

I am “greater than the temple” “than Jonah” “than Solomon” Mt. 12:6, 41?42

I am “Lord even of the Sabbath” Mt. 12:8; Mk. 2:28; Lk. 6:5 [Lord of God's Ten Commandments]

Thus He says keep “My commandments” 4x Jn. 14:15, 21; 15:10, 12

“You are My friends if you do whatever I command you” Jn. 15:14

“keep My word” Jn. 14:23?24

“He who is not with Me is against Me” Mt. 12:30

The angels are “His angels” Mt. 13:41; 16:27 and He commands “His angels” Mt. 24:31; Mk. 13:27

The kingdom is “His kingdom” Mt. 13:41 and He calls it “My kingdom” Lk. 22:30

Jesus called it “My church” Mt. 16:18 and believers are “My sheep” Jn. 10:14, 27 and they are “His elect” Mt. 24:31; Mk. 13:27

Paul is a “vessel of Mine to bear My name” Acts 9:15

“all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine” Jn. 17:10

“My peace I give” Jn. 14:27 ”in Me you may have peace” Jn. 16:33

“My joy” should fill you Jn. 15:11

“Who do men say that I am?” Mt. 16:13; Mk. 8:27 “who do you say that I am?” Mt. 16:15

Receive “Me” Mt. 18:5; Mk. 9:37; Lk. 9:48

Heaven and earth will pass away but “My words” will never Mt. [5:18] 24:35; Mk. 13:31; Lk. 21:33

Tell others about Jesus Mk. 5:19

“you belong to Christ” Mk. 9:41

Hear “My sayings” and do them Lk. 6:47

Jesus has “His own glory” Lk. 9:26; [Jn. 2:11; 16:14] The Son is “glorified” 8x Jn. 11:4; 12:23; 13:31?32; [17:1, 5, 10 24]

“He who hears you hears Me” Lk. 10:16

Jesus expects praise, from stones if necessary 1x Lk. 19:37?40

Return “to Me” Lk. 22:32

Be “My disciple” Lk. 14:27; Jn. 8:31; 15:8 Forsake all to “be My disciple” Lk. 14:33 ”you are My disciples” Jn. 13:35

“I shall send… the [Holy] Spirit” Jn. 15:26; 16:7

The Holy Spirit “will testify of Me” Jn. 15:26

We read in John 5 and Luke 24 that “the Scriptures… testify of Me” Jn. 5:39; [Lk. 24:44]

“You [Apostles] also will bear witness [of Me] because you have been with Me” Jn. 15:27

Paul gives “testimony concerning Me” Acts 22:18; 23:11

“the Son gives life to whom He will” Jn. 5:21

“seek Me” Jn. 6:26

Serve “Me” Jn. 12:26

“all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father” Jn. 5:23

“I am the bread of life,” “of heaven,” “of God” Jn. 6: 32-33, 35, 41, [48,] 51

Just seeing Christ is reason enough to believe [Jn. 6:36] him” Jn. 6:56

Drink “My blood” and eat “My flesh” Jn. 6:53?54, 56

“I will raise him up at the last day” Jn. 6:40 for He is the resurrection

“The world… hates Me” Jn. 7:7

“I am the light of the world” Jn. 8:12; 9:5; 12:46

“I bear witness of Myself” 1x Jn. 8:13-14, 18

“know… Jesus Christ” for “eternal life” Jn. 17:3; [8:19; 10:10, 14]

“the Son makes you free” Jn. 8:36

“Abraham rejoiced to see My day” Jn. 8:56; “Before Abraham was, I AM” Jn. 8:58

Of believers, Christ said, “I know them” Jn. 10:27

“I give them eternal life” Jn. 10:28

“I am the resurrection and the life” Jn. 11:25

I “will draw all peoples to Myself” Jn. 12:32

“I will… receive you to Myself” Jn. 14:3

Be “Mine” Jn. 14:24

“I am the vine” Jn. 15:5

“without Me you can do nothing” Jn. 15:5

“You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you” Jn. 15:16

Those who oppress Christians are “persecuting Me” Acts 9:4?5; 22:7?8; 26:14?15
“because they have not known… Me” Jn. 16:3

The Spirit “will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it” Jn. 16:14

“All things that the Father has are Mine” Jn. 16:15

“the Father… loves you, because you have loved Me” Jn. 16:27

“If I will that he remain” Jn. 21:22

“I have overcome the world” Jn. 16:33

“I am the way” Jn. 14:6

“I am… the truth” Jn. 14:6

“I am… the life” Jn. 14:6

“I will… manifest Myself” Jn. 14:21

Jesus was either a blasphemer, or He was God Himself. There are no other possibilities.

OT LORD is the Father speaking through his agents.

NT is the son the Father sent speaking what his Father tells him to speak.

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[glorydaz]

I care not about being respected by fools who are blinded by man made traditions.

You didn't even read past the "respected", did you? That tells you something.

No, Keypurr, this is the simplest of truths and you can't see it.

That God, Himself, came in the flesh to save us from our sins.

Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.​

2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:​

 

[JudgeRightly]

OT LORD is the Father speaking through his agents.

NT is the son the Father sent speaking what his Father tells him to speak.

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You didn't read what I said, did you?

Allow me to repeat:

Jesus is either a blasphemer, or He is God Himself. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE.

EITHER He blasphemed God throughout the entire NT, OR He's God Himself, come as a man, and you should repent for your blasphemy.

 

[Tambora]

You didn't read what I said, did you?

Allow me to repeat:

Jesus is either a blasphemer, or He is God Himself. THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE.

EITHER He blasphemed God throughout the entire NT, OR He's God Himself, come as a man, and you should repent for your blasphemy.

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