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Nope, that is not what I have said.
AGAIN ..... you do not pay attention to what is said.

It was said here by more than one trinitarian. Your practice of confusion doesn't mean anything to me.

The scriptures are clear.

There is only one God and He is the Father.

There is only one Spirit.

If Jesus is God, and he is, then he is that same one and only Father's Spirit.

What is wrong with you? The Bible PLAINLY says the Lord IS THE SPIRIT.

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.


Jesus is a life giving Spirit, see 1 Corinthians 15:45.

The Spirit gives life; see 2 Corinthians 3:6

Those scriptures right there prove Jesus is the one and only Holy Spirit of God the Father.
 

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God is not three separate and different Spirits uniting so that they can be called One God.
The Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit.
The Son is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son.
Scripture reveals the clear distinction, and plainly shows the 3 interacting with one another, but you refuse to believe scripture.
 

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The Father is not the Son nor the Holy Spirit.
The Son is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son.
Scripture reveals the clear distinction, and plainly shows the 3 interacting with one another, but you refuse to believe scripture.

The three are one and the exact same.
 

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It was said here by more than one trinitarian.
No trinitarian says the Father is the Son.
No trinitarian says the Father is the Holy Spirit.
No trinitarian says the Son is the Father.
No trinitarian says the Son is the Holy Spirit.
No trinitarian says the Holy Spirit is the Father.
No trinitarian says the Holy Spirit is the Son.

That is just your twisted messed up stawman because you don't pay attention.
 

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Tambora,

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.


Jesus is a life giving Spirit, see 1 Corinthians 15:45.

The Spirit gives life; see 2 Corinthians 3:6.



So you just read those scriptures, right?

Now you tell me how the Lord is the Spirit.

The Spirit gives life.

Jesus gives life.

Jesus is a life giving Spirit---

BUT JESUS ISN'T THAT ONE AND ONLY LIFE GIVING SPIRIT?!!!
 

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What? I was simply asking for your definition of subsistence, or rather if it was synonymous with existence please?

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To be clear; subsistence is synonimous with distinguishable existence through perceivable means by man within your exposition is it not?

What you wrote and what you now claim to have been asking are out of accord with one another. My response keyed in on the portion in your original post shown in red above.

For that matter, subsistence and existence are not synonyms, especially related to this topic: the Godhead. We need to use the terms precisely as they were intended by the church, not importing anachronistically modern day assumptions about the words being used.

For example, the human nature of Jesus Christ is not a personal man, but a human nature without personal subsistence. That human nature truly exists, but it is not a personal subsistence. The human nature of Christ was not an independent hypostasis (anhypostatic), but it was enhypostatic, that is, the human nature had its subsistence in and through the the Second Person of the Trinity that took up the human nature.

If you can wrap your mind around the following, you will be well on the way to coming to a more fuller understanding of the Trinity:

There never was a man, Jesus Christ, without the fact that this man was also fully God. A man called Jesus Christ—a person—did not exist who was assumed (taken up) by the Second Person of the Trinity to make the God-man, Jesus Christ. What was taken up by the Second Person of the Trinity was a human nature, not a human person.

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No trinitarian says the Father is the Son.
No trinitarian says the Father is the Holy Spirit.
No trinitarian says the Son is the Father.
No trinitarian says the Son is the Holy Spirit.
No trinitarian says the Holy Spirit is the Father.
No trinitarian says the Holy Spirit is the Son.

That is just your twisted messed up stawman because you don't pay attention.

Same old same old.

Now answer my questions.

Those questions you answer, if answered with scripture could persuade me.


2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.


Jesus is a life giving Spirit, see 1 Corinthians 15:45.

The Spirit gives life; see 2 Corinthians 3:6.



So you just read those scriptures, right?

Now you tell me how the Lord is the Spirit.

The Spirit gives life.

Jesus gives life.

Jesus is a life giving Spirit---

BUT JESUS ISN'T THAT ONE AND ONLY LIFE GIVING SPIRIT?!!!
 
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Tambora,

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.


Jesus is a life giving Spirit, see 1 Corinthians 15:45.

The Spirit gives life; see 2 Corinthians 3:6.



So you just read those scriptures, right?

Now you tell me how the Lord is the Spirit.

The Spirit gives life.

Jesus gives life.

Jesus is a life giving Spirit---

BUT JESUS ISN'T THAT ONE AND ONLY LIFE GIVING SPIRIT?!!!
Scripture clearly shows the distinction of the 3.
Scripture clearly shows the 3 interacting with one another.
You deny scripture.
 

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Scripture clearly shows the distinction of the 3.
Scripture clearly shows the 3 interacting with one another.
You deny scripture.

Address this if you can. lol

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.


Jesus is a life giving Spirit, see 1 Corinthians 15:45.

The Spirit gives life; see 2 Corinthians 3:6.



So you just read those scriptures, right?

Now you tell me how the Lord is the Spirit.

The Spirit gives life.

Jesus gives life.

Jesus is a life giving Spirit---

BUT JESUS ISN'T THAT ONE AND ONLY LIFE GIVING SPIRIT?!!!
 

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Since you do not agree with my beliefs, you have the chance to persuade me of the truth by answering these two things...if you can answer them, then you will have convinced me.

I will accept your doctrine of the trinity as truth, if you can convince me with scripture and explanation:

1. How is it that Jesus came from heaven if his flesh is man's and his spirit is man's?

2. You say that the Father is a Spirit, the Son is a different Spirit, and the Holy Spirit a different Spirit. That makes three different Spirits. The Bible says there is one. How do you rectify your obvious defiance of the truth about there being one Spirit?
 

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ATTENTION ANY AND ALL TRINITARIAN DOCTRINE TEACHERS:

Now is your chance. I will accept your doctrine of the trinity as truth, if you can convince me with scripture and explanation:

1. How is it that Jesus came from heaven if his flesh is man's and his spirit is man's?

2. You say that the Father is a Spirit, the Son is a different Spirit, and the Holy Spirit a different Spirit. That makes three different Spirits. The Bible says there is one. How do you rectify your obvious defiance of the truth about there being one Spirit?

Done:
http://theologyonline.com/showthread.php?97148-One-on-One-AMR-and-God-s-Truth-—-The-Holy-Trinity

Welcome aboard. :AMR:

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Address this if you can. lol

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.


Jesus is a life giving Spirit, see 1 Corinthians 15:45.

The Spirit gives life; see 2 Corinthians 3:6.



So you just read those scriptures, right?

Now you tell me how the Lord is the Spirit.

The Spirit gives life.

Jesus gives life.

Jesus is a life giving Spirit---

BUT JESUS ISN'T THAT ONE AND ONLY LIFE GIVING SPIRIT?!!!
Again, scripture clearly reveals the 3 as distinct from each other and clearly shows the 3 interacting with one another.
You are so fond of your father that you flat out deny the truth of scripture in favor of distortion of the truth.
 
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