When discussing the Spiritual realm one has to have a point of
reference, and that reference must be backed by Spiritual authority!
reference, and that reference must be backed by Spiritual authority!
The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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Zeke
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So what does the christian religion have that is any different than what you claim is a fantasy? You don't have any facts except some traditional religious history, and a lot of historical silence, the trial of plagiarized stories from past cultures shows the deceit in your religions con-structure.
Hear say! your phony religion is king.
May I refer to you as, Zeke the Geek?
John saw this truth in his vision:
"Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back."
Chapter and verse please?
If God had been the author of the Bible, like the church claims, he was under no obligation to tell man everything that is true. Much more has been revealed by the UB.
Never mind, Revelation 12:9
Revelation 12:7
What's your point?
Caino, you stated; "Michael is the heavenly name of the Son who incarnate as Jesus.
Now he is known as Christ Michael" How are you able to assume that Michael is Jesus,
and not one of the Archangels?
Now he is known as Christ Michael" How are you able to assume that Michael is Jesus,
and not one of the Archangels?
Caino, show how Revelation 12:7 refers to Jesus, as Michael?
The U-Rev tells us more about what was shown to John.
The "war in heaven" was a panoramic retrospective on the outbreak of the rebellion roughly 200,000 years ago earth time up until Jesus terminated the rebellion on Mt. Hermon just prior to the public phase of his earth ministry.
I have nothing that would conclusively satisfy you that John’s vision some 50 years after the ascension of Christ, was connecting Jesus to the Michael character of the BOR. However Rev does not call Michael the archangel.
John was shown other things that are in the Urantia revelation.
John
"Several years after the martyrdom of James, John married his brother’s widow. The last twenty years of his life he was cared for by a loving granddaughter.
(1555.6) 139:4.13 John was in prison several times and was banished to the Isle of Patmos for a period of four years until another emperor came to power in Rome. Had not John been tactful and sagacious, he would undoubtedly have been killed as was his more outspoken brother James. As the years passed, John, together with James the Lord’s brother, learned to practice wise conciliation when they appeared before the civil magistrates. They found that a “soft answer turns away wrath.” They also learned to represent the church as a “spiritual brotherhood devoted to the social service of mankind” rather than as “the kingdom of heaven.” They taught loving service rather than ruling power — kingdom and king.
(1555.7) 139:4.14 When in temporary exile on Patmos, John wrote the Book of Revelation, which you now have in greatly abridged and distorted form. This Book of Revelation contains the surviving fragments of a great revelation, large portions of which were lost, other portions of which were removed, subsequent to John’s writing. It is preserved in only fragmentary and adulterated form.
(1555.8) 139:4.15 John traveled much, labored incessantly, and after becoming bishop of the Asia churches, settled down at Ephesus. He directed his associate, Nathan, in the writing of the so-called “Gospel according to John,” at Ephesus, when he was ninety-nine years old. Of all the twelve apostles, John Zebedee eventually became the outstanding theologian. He died a natural death at Ephesus in A.D. 103 when he was one hundred and one years of age.
John
"Several years after the martyrdom of James, John married his brother’s widow. The last twenty years of his life he was cared for by a loving granddaughter.
(1555.6) 139:4.13 John was in prison several times and was banished to the Isle of Patmos for a period of four years until another emperor came to power in Rome. Had not John been tactful and sagacious, he would undoubtedly have been killed as was his more outspoken brother James. As the years passed, John, together with James the Lord’s brother, learned to practice wise conciliation when they appeared before the civil magistrates. They found that a “soft answer turns away wrath.” They also learned to represent the church as a “spiritual brotherhood devoted to the social service of mankind” rather than as “the kingdom of heaven.” They taught loving service rather than ruling power — kingdom and king.
(1555.7) 139:4.14 When in temporary exile on Patmos, John wrote the Book of Revelation, which you now have in greatly abridged and distorted form. This Book of Revelation contains the surviving fragments of a great revelation, large portions of which were lost, other portions of which were removed, subsequent to John’s writing. It is preserved in only fragmentary and adulterated form.
(1555.8) 139:4.15 John traveled much, labored incessantly, and after becoming bishop of the Asia churches, settled down at Ephesus. He directed his associate, Nathan, in the writing of the so-called “Gospel according to John,” at Ephesus, when he was ninety-nine years old. Of all the twelve apostles, John Zebedee eventually became the outstanding theologian. He died a natural death at Ephesus in A.D. 103 when he was one hundred and one years of age.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Remedy your ignorance......
Remedy your ignorance......
You need to first educate yourself about the subject, before going any further, in order to intelligently debate any particular points. Many of the essential resources, commentary and descriptions of the UB and its papers have already been explained and shared here. Not everything is as it seems. See my former posts to you (here & here, with links provided), then get back when you can engage an actual dialogue, if you have a question or comment on the material shared.
pj
Remedy your ignorance......
You need to first educate yourself about the subject, before going any further, in order to intelligently debate any particular points. Many of the essential resources, commentary and descriptions of the UB and its papers have already been explained and shared here. Not everything is as it seems. See my former posts to you (here & here, with links provided), then get back when you can engage an actual dialogue, if you have a question or comment on the material shared.
pj
Levolor
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The first thing I thought when I read this was: the new age of believers are those who believe MAD. (I'll have to work out the details.)
MADists are Paulians for they follow Paul and not Christ. How much more anti-Christ can you get?
LOL, and just how long ago did this MAD Paulianism doctrine begin that you believe in? Maybe mid 1800s?
What audacity.
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
clearing the air.......
clearing the air.......
Hi JR,
PPS is an individual with a complication of complexes, and there is no need to bring up his spiteful, venomous, accusatory antics or manners, because those would be self-evident in his posts, for readers to see for themselves. Let 'God' be the judge. (only the pure in heart will see Him). He is now on Ignore since an actual dialogue cannot be had with him at this point in his current constitution, until his attitude changes. One can only contend with hate, bigotry and prejudice for so long, til he must 'cut the cord' so to speak and move along for his own spiritual health and sanity.
om shanti,
pj
clearing the air.......
Hi JR,
PPS is an individual with a complication of complexes, and there is no need to bring up his spiteful, venomous, accusatory antics or manners, because those would be self-evident in his posts, for readers to see for themselves. Let 'God' be the judge. (only the pure in heart will see Him). He is now on Ignore since an actual dialogue cannot be had with him at this point in his current constitution, until his attitude changes. One can only contend with hate, bigotry and prejudice for so long, til he must 'cut the cord' so to speak and move along for his own spiritual health and sanity.
om shanti,
pj
You deserve NO reply! Thanks for interacting though, it shows
you have some real moxy! You may not be very intelligent, but
you more than make up for it with your inane remarks!
Thanks again!
What's the difference between the urantia books (papers) and the made up
tales of Joesph Smith or L Ron Hubbard? All three claim supernatural or
celestial beings of one sort or another?
tales of Joesph Smith or L Ron Hubbard? All three claim supernatural or
celestial beings of one sort or another?
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