The Late Great Urantia Revelation

[freelight]

God consciousness and the Thought Adjuster......

God consciousness and the Thought Adjuster......

Hogwash. 'Christ-consciousness' is a fairy-tale invented to attempt to remove the power and authority that Jesus alone has. He is The Only Begotten of The Father. There is no substitute for His Precious Blood, which is the only salvation from sin. Discounting Scripture only gets you into the bargain basement of eternity: hell.

Jesus calls us to join in the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of Man, to be one with him and his Father.

From the final Paper 196, "The Faith of Jesus" we read -

196:2.2 Jesus' life in the flesh portrays a transcendent religious growth from the early ideas of primitive awe and human reverence up through years of personal spiritual communion until he finally arrived at that advanced and exalted status of the consciousness of his oneness with the Father. And thus, in one short life, did Jesus traverse that experience of religious spiritual progression which man begins on earth and ordinarily achieves only at the conclusion of his long sojourn in the spirit training schools of the successive levels of the pre-Paradise career. Jesus progressed from a purely human consciousness of the faith certainties of personal religious experience to the sublime spiritual heights of the positive realization of his divine nature and to the consciousness of his close association with the Universal Father in the management of a universe. He progressed from the humble status of mortal dependence which prompted him spontaneously to say to the one who called him Good Teacher, " Why do you call me good? None is good but God, " to that sublime consciousness of achieved divinity which led him to exclaim, " Which one of you convicts me of sin? " And this progressing ascent from the human to the divine was an exclusively mortal achievement. And when he had thus attained divinity, he was still the same human Jesus, the Son of Man as well as the Son of God.

196:2.3 Mark, Matthew, and Luke retain something of the picture of the human Jesus as he engaged in the superb struggle to ascertain the divine will and to do that will. John presents a picture of the triumphant Jesus as he walked on earth in the full consciousness of divinity. The great mistake that has been made by those who have studied the Master's life is that some have conceived of him as entirely human, while others have thought of him as only divine. Throughout his entire experience he was truly both human and divine, even as he yet is.

* This final Paper is a good summary, as the Papers expound on both the human and divine nature of Jesus, and about the indwelling Adjuster (that pre-personal fragment of 'God' that indwells every soul of normal mind-endowment). The Thought Adjuster is the very presence of God, the divine spirit, so in this sense it is the pure God-consciousness, the Infinite that guides the soul to its destiny and ultimately to the realization of its sonship with the Universal Father.

The term 'Christ-consciousness' is the cognition of divine Sonship, the 'anointing' of ones intimate relationship with divinity. (this term is not used in the Papers however). Anyone who has experienced his Oneness with the Father and the envelopment of sonship ought have no problem with the term 'Christ-consicousness', for such is merely the consciousness of unity with God, the One all-pervading Spirit. In the consciousness of the Son, the Spirit-Father is known and valued (the essence of worth-ship).



pj

 

[Aimiel]

Jesus calls us to join in the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of Man, to be one with him and his Father.

No, we don't join in God's Fatherhood. There is none beside Him. There is none who is equal to Him. He Alone is God. Your foolish new age dregs have taught you half-truths which are the same as whole-lies.

The Thought Adjuster is the very presence of God, the divine spirit, so in this sense it is the pure God-consciousness, the Infinite that guides the soul to its destiny and ultimately to the realization of its sonship with the Universal Father.

We don't have our thoughts 'adjusted' by anyone. That would be mind-control, which sounds like a trick of the enemy to me. God gives us The Mind of Christ. Our thoughts aren't adjusted, we have His Thoughts. He gives us His Very Nature.

The term 'Christ-consciousness' is the cognition of divine Sonship, the 'anointing' of ones intimate relationship with divinity.

Christ-consciousness is designed to make people who are gullible (like yourself) believe that The Nature of God is within you, and all you have to do is realize it. That is making 'self' into God, not bringing God into your life.

Anyone who has experienced his Oneness with the Father and the envelopment of sonship ought have no problem with the term 'Christ-consicousness', for such is merely the consciousness of unity with God, the One all-pervading Spirit.

False Christ-consciousness is akin to demonic possession, in my book.

In the consciousness of the Son, the Spirit-Father is known and valued (the essence of worth-ship).

You don't know The Father, and He doesn't know you, which is why Jesus is of no worth to you or your UB.

 

[Aimiel]

people like you are what keep this world from being a sane and rational place.

Thank you; coming from you, I consider that to be high praise.

your views are absolutely mad.

To all who are perishing, the preaching of The Gospel is: foolishness.

you have no evidence for jesus being God or having any authority or power

He is, nonetheless; and holds All Power and Authority in Heaven and in earth.

you have no evidence that souls need to be saved or will be damned for not believing in jesus.

There is none who have any righteousness, unless it was given to them by His Blood. The un-righteous have no place in eternal life.

you have no evidence besides copies of copies of copies of copies of manuscripts copied sometimes VERY long after the originals were written(originals you don't have mind you) by barely literal spare time copyists(not scribes).

Each and every copy made correctly, by the way, down through the centuries.

and these copyists often changed words,added entire verses etc,among other things.

That just isn't so.

sounds pretty freaking crazy to me.

You said that. Perhaps you might want to get some help with your psychiatric fixations.

if anyone would ever be sent to any kind of cosmic time-out like hell it would be morons like you who go around condemning people because old jewish manuscripts told them to.

Jesus isn't just a fable. He is alive and lives in me, and millions of others like me, many of whom are even crazier about Him than I am.

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

This 'Word of Prophecy' is The Holy Ghost, Who lives and moves upon those in whom He dwells, such that we even speak as He gives us utterance. He is all the proof we need. He is our Guarantee. He is our Comforter. He is our God and our sure reward.

 

[freelight]

We don't have our thoughts 'adjusted' by anyone. That would be mind-control, which sounds like a trick of the enemy to me. God gives us The Mind of Christ. Our thoughts aren't adjusted, we have His Thoughts. He gives us His Very Nature.

Your assuming things again. You have to research what the Thought Adjuster is with the links provided, before you can offer commentary on such. But that likely wont happen. - which makes your presence here in this thread all the more useless.

You don't know The Father, and He doesn't know you,

Such is your interpretation and assumption based on your own version of 'God' and personal theology. You're in no position to judge another soul, let alone to claim that they dont know God and that God doesnt know them. - thats the height of arrogance, pride and making yourself God.

which is why Jesus is of no worth to you or your UB.

More arrogant and pious assumptions...which tells alot about you.




pj

 

[horiturk]

if you think that those copies were made correctly every time you are mentally deranged. you can go online and look at how much the copies differ and see which ones verses were added. information about the mistakes and changes made to the NT are plain for the world to see,but alas people love to have their heads buried in the sand. and so you blindly follow....

 

[John Mortimer]

We don't have our thoughts 'adjusted' by anyone.

Agreed! :up: This is a very important point.

That would be mind-control, which sounds like a trick of the enemy to me.

Yes - absolutely! The fallen consciousness is all about mind control whereas the Ascended Host resolutely upholds the law of free will and never seeks mind-control.

Indeed, Aimiel, it is for this reason that I personally don't like the UB term, "Thought Adjuster", although it genuinely doesn't imply mind-control. In fact, if you actually read the UB, the "Thought Adjuster" is called this because it actually facilitates the freeing of ones self from the mind-control so prevalent within the fallen consciousness.

God gives us The Mind of Christ.

Amen.

Our thoughts aren't adjusted, we have His Thoughts.

...which, because they are real, annihilate the illusory nonsense of the ego-thinking. Yes, it is so, Aimiel.

He gives us His Very Nature.

Yes!

Christ-consciousness is designed to make people who are gullible (like yourself) believe that The Nature of God is within you, and all you have to do is realize it.

But Aimiel, what did it mean when the Christ spoke these words,
"The kingdom of God is within you"?

Surely you yourself found the Christ within you?
If you didn't - if you found the Christ outside of you - what made you look for the Christ in the first place?

 

[One Truth]

Jesus calls us to join in the Fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of Man, to be one with him and his Father.

This final Paper is a good summary, as the Papers expound on both the human and divine nature of Jesus, and about the indwelling Adjuster (that pre-personal fragment of 'God' that indwells every soul of normal mind-endowment). The Thought Adjuster is the very presence of God, the divine spirit, so in this sense it is the pure God-consciousness, the Infinite that guides the soul to its destiny and ultimately to the realization of its sonship with the Universal Father.

The term 'Christ-consciousness' is the cognition of divine Sonship, the 'anointing' of ones intimate relationship with divinity. (this term is not used in the Papers however). Anyone who has experienced his Oneness with the Father and the envelopment of sonship ought have no problem with the term 'Christ-consicousness', for such is merely the consciousness of unity with God, the One all-pervading Spirit. In the consciousness of the Son, the Spirit-Father is known and valued (the essence of worth-ship).

pj

Freelight,
You are correct that The Urantia Book does not use the term "Christ-Consciousness"; however, it does use the term God-Conscious:

1.1.3 When you have once become truly God-conscious, after you really discover the majestic Creator and begin to experience the realization of the indwelling presence of the divine controller, then, in accordance with your enlightenment and in accordance with the manner and method by which the divine Sons reveal God, you will find a name for the Universal Father which will be adequately expressive of your concept of the First Great Source and Center. And so, on different worlds and in various universes, the Creator becomes known by numerous appellations, in spirit of relationship all meaning the same but, in words and symbols, each name standing for the degree, the depth, of his enthronement in the hearts of his creatures of any given realm.

1.3.7 In the inner experience of man, mind is joined to matter. Such material-linked minds cannot survive mortal death. The technique of survival is embraced in those adjustments of the human will and those transformations in the mortal mind whereby such a God-conscious intellect gradually becomes spirit taught and eventually spirit led. This evolution of the human mind from matter association to spirit union results in the transmutation of the potentially spirit phases of the mortal mind into the morontia realities of the immortal soul. Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction; mind yielded to spirit is destined to become increasingly spiritual and ultimately to achieve oneness with the surviving and guiding divine spirit and in this way to attain survival and eternity of personality existence.

* Would you say that these two paragraphs are closely related if not the same as Christ Consciousness?

OT

 

[Aimiel]

Your assuming things again. You have to research what the Thought Adjuster is with the links provided, before you can offer commentary on such. But that likely wont happen. - which makes your presence here in this thread all the more useless.

It's only your own personal vendetta against anything that is called, "Christ," which drives you to persecute Christians ONLY and to put down anything and everything which is even loosely related to the Truths found in The Holy Scriptures; all the while pretending to know Ultimate Truth, and setting that far above God's Revealed Truths.

Such is your interpretation and assumption based on your own version of 'God' and personal theology.

The God revealed in Scripture and The God Who reveals Himself to those who follow Those Scriptures isn't a version, He is The One True God. Your gods don't even exist. The UB reveals one of those false gods, which is really a demon.

You're in no position to judge another soul, let alone to claim that they dont know God and that God doesnt know them.

Actually, only those who walk in God's Righteousness are capable of judging other men, using righteous judgment.

- thats the height of arrogance, pride and making yourself God.

No, it's called: understanding. God gives us perfect peace with Him, and also shows us others as seen from His POV.

 

[Aimiel]

if you think that those copies were made correctly every time you are mentally deranged. you can go online and look at how much the copies differ and see which ones verses were added. information about the mistakes and changes made to the NT are plain for the world to see,but alas people love to have their heads buried in the sand. and so you blindly follow....

I can go online and prove that gravity doesn't exist, too; so what? You going to jump off a cliff to try to prove that information valid? :chuckle:

 

[freelight]

nuttin butta bigot

nuttin butta bigot

Actually, only those who walk in God's Righteousness are capable of judging other men, using righteous judgment.

Of course, and your qualified for such eh? I bet your 'god' must be sooooooooooo proud to have you in his special club.

Anyways,...had enough of your ignorance, arrogance and bigotry.

Back to the Iggy Bin you go......:wave:



pj

 

[Aimiel]

Yes - absolutely! The fallen consciousness is all about mind control whereas the Ascended Host resolutely upholds the law of free will and never seeks mind-control.

The 'ascended' host is actually a fallen angel.

Indeed, Aimiel, it is for this reason that I personally don't like the UB term, "Thought Adjuster", although it genuinely doesn't imply mind-control. In fact, if you actually read the UB, the "Thought Adjuster" is called this because it actually facilitates the freeing of ones self from the mind-control so prevalent within the fallen consciousness.

Problem is, if you depend upon the UB to raise your fallen consciousness all you'll get is your mind controlled by demonic forces; rather than your mind controlled by your own lusts.

But Aimiel, what did it mean when the Christ spoke these words, "The kingdom of God is within you"?

He was speaking to His disciples, those who'd already decided to follow Christ, and keep His Words.

Surely you yourself found the Christ within you?

Nope! There is nothing good in man. I found an empty hole in me, where Christ belonged, and through faith in Him, God came into my heart, and now takes up residence within.

If you didn't - if you found the Christ outside of you - what made you look for the Christ in the first place?

The faith that God gives every man (not just 'some' but every):

Romans 12:3
For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Some use that faith to follow their false gods: science, money, sex or whatever lust or other false god they might design to follow; but some use that faith to find The One True God Who is only found in The Holy Scriptures.

 

[Aimiel]

Back to the Iggy Bin you go......:wave:

Now who's being arrogant and proud? :duh:

 

[horiturk]

I can go online and prove that gravity doesn't exist, too; so what? You going to jump off a cliff to try to prove that information valid? :chuckle:

you refuse to see the facts? willful ignorance. there are many ancient christian manuscripts and their images online clearly noting the discrepancies for all to see,provided by scholars,universities etc. i guess that's just a big conspiracy against jesus too eh?.....if you deny that then you're a complete idiot. it's like a child putting his fingers in his ears,closing his eyes and saying "lalalalalala". absolutely stupid. spiritual cripples always gravitate to fundamentalist christianity......weak of mind and weak of spirit,unwlling to see the truth of the matter

 

[freelight]

adjustments in consciousness......

adjustments in consciousness......

Freelight,
You are correct that The Urantia Book does not use the term "Christ-Consciousness"; however, it does use the term God-Conscious:

1.1.3 When you have once become truly God-conscious, after you really discover the majestic Creator and begin to experience the realization of the indwelling presence of the divine controller, then, in accordance with your enlightenment and in accordance with the manner and method by which the divine Sons reveal God, you will find a name for the Universal Father which will be adequately expressive of your concept of the First Great Source and Center. And so, on different worlds and in various universes, the Creator becomes known by numerous appellations, in spirit of relationship all meaning the same but, in words and symbols, each name standing for the degree, the depth, of his enthronement in the hearts of his creatures of any given realm.

1.3.7 In the inner experience of man, mind is joined to matter. Such material-linked minds cannot survive mortal death. The technique of survival is embraced in those adjustments of the human will and those transformations in the mortal mind whereby such a God-conscious intellect gradually becomes spirit taught and eventually spirit led. This evolution of the human mind from matter association to spirit union results in the transmutation of the potentially spirit phases of the mortal mind into the morontia realities of the immortal soul. Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction; mind yielded to spirit is destined to become increasingly spiritual and ultimately to achieve oneness with the surviving and guiding divine spirit and in this way to attain survival and eternity of personality existence.

* Would you say that these two paragraphs are closely related if not the same as Christ Consciousness?

OT

Hi OT,

Excellent quotes. 'God-consciousness' is a term including the 'consciousness of divinity' in general, all phases of divine Mind. In my understanding of 'Christ-consciousness' it is more to do with the awareness of Sonship, especially within the incarnate soul...in rapport with the indwelling divine spirit (or Adjuster). In 'Christ-consciousness' we are wholly One with Jesus in the aspect of 'shared sonship'.

As you know, there are other terms for 'Thought Adjuster'(TA),...'Mystery Monitor', ' Father-fragment, etc....and some of these names change per the development of the soul and its relationship to such. - hence the terms 'adjuster', 'controller'. As John touched on earlier,...the TA does not dominate, coerce or force itself on the mind of its host, but is there as a divine-spirit-presence within the soul, having its own subtle influence. - I even found the term 'TA' somewhat curious when I first heard it,...but its just part of the nomenclature and uniqueness of the Revelation. Heaven knows we sometimes need an 'attitude adjustment', therefore the mis-perception of the term earlier had by Aimiel is clarified with proper understanding.



pj

 

[Aimiel]

you refuse to see the facts?

Not at all... but; apparently you do:

A note about supposed errors in copying manuscripts:
Benjamin Warfield in 'Introduction to Textual Criticism of the New Testament,' says the facts show that the great majority of the New Testament "has been transmitted to us with no, or next to no, variation; and even in the most corrupt form in which it has ever appeared, to use the often quoted words of Richard Bentley, 'the real text of the sacred writers is competently exact;... nor is one article of faith or moral precept either perverted or lost, ... ' "

Sir Frederic Kenyon ( one of the great authorities in the field of New Testament textual criticism ) states, "One word of warning already referred to, must be emphasized in conclusion. No fundamental doctrine of the Christian faith rests on a disputed reading ... "

When accusations of textual errors are researched, one finds out that most of these have to do with trivial disputes. When one gets down to the small percentage of debatable differences, it becomes apparent that even in the worst case, no major doctrine of Christianity is in question. The "substance" on the New Testament is intact and reliable from the original writings! -- SOURCE ARTICLE

 

[horiturk]

i'm certain the word of those two men is to be taken over the overwhelming number of scholars,translators etc. not to mention the evidence for john being composed by several different authors,whole sections of verses added to the gospels etc. i'm sure you'll make up excuses for that too

 

[freelight]

i'm certain the word of those two men is to be taken over the overwhelming number of scholars,translators etc. not to mention the evidence for john being composed by several different authors,whole sections of verses added to the gospels etc. i'm sure you'll make up excuses for that too

Like any historical writings or religious literature, do your best research, examine the evidence, investigate the literature fully and draw your own conclusions in the light of all available facts and spiritual insight. However, when religious beliefs become 'dogma' and intellectually inflexible and rigid, they no longer serve the Spirit, being closed to innovation, reform and progressive revelation.


pj

 

[horiturk]

most religious people just read a couple of books that reaffirm their beliefs and ignore all other evidence proving them wrong

 

[Aimiel]

There hasn't been one historic or scientific fact stated in The Bible disproved, which speaks volumes about It's authenticity. The spiritual guidance in It can also be trusted.

 

[JWStipple]

There hasn't been one historic or scientific fact stated in The Bible disproved, which speaks volumes about It's authenticity.

Well, it actually speaks volumes about humans' virtually infinite capacity for self-delusion...for rationalization...but that's too nuanced / subtle a point for folks like Aimiel.

The spiritual guidance in It can also be trusted.

Hey...if folks trust Marshall Applewhite, they'll most certainly trust the Bible...true or not.