This is a of bit irony. A cultist arguing with a "Worker" Christian.
The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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This is a of bit irony. A cultist arguing with a "Worker" Christian.
Thanks for sharing your life story with is Grosnick.
JESUS—THE MAN
196:1.1 "Jesus' devotion to the Father's will and the service of man was even more than mortal decision and human determination; it was a wholehearted consecration of himself to such an unreserved bestowal of love. No matter how great the fact of the sovereignty of Michael, you must not take the human Jesus away from men. The Master has ascended on high as a man, as well as God; he belongs to men; men belong to him. How unfortunate that religion itself should be so misinterpreted as to take the human Jesus away from struggling mortals! Let not the discussions of the humanity or the divinity of the Christ obscure the saving truth that Jesus of Nazareth was a religious man who, by faith, achieved the knowing and the doing of the will of God; he was the most truly religious man who has ever lived on Urantia.
196:1.2 The time is ripe to witness the figurative resurrection of the human Jesus from his burial tomb amidst the theological traditions and the religious dogmas of nineteen centuries. Jesus of Nazareth must not be longer sacrificed to even the splendid concept of the glorified Christ. What a transcendent service if, through this revelation, the Son of Man should be recovered from the tomb of traditional theology and be presented as the living Jesus to the church that bears his name, and to all other religions! Surely the Christian fellowship of believers will not hesitate to make such adjustments of faith and of practices of living as will enable it to “follow after” the Master in the demonstration of his real life of religious devotion to the doing of his Father's will and of consecration to the unselfish service of man. Do professed Christians fear the exposure of a self-sufficient and unconsecrated fellowship of social respectability and selfish economic maladjustment? Does institutional Christianity fear the possible jeopardy, or even the overthrow, of traditional ecclesiastical authority if the Jesus of Galilee is reinstated in the minds and souls of mortal men as the ideal of personal religious living? Indeed, the social readjustments, the economic transformations, the moral rejuvenations, and the religious revisions of Christian civilization would be drastic and revolutionary if the living religion of Jesus should suddenly supplant the theologic religion about Jesus.
196:1.3 To “follow Jesus” means to personally share his religious faith and to enter into the spirit of the Master's life of unselfish service for man. One of the most important things in human living is to find out what Jesus believed, to discover his ideals, and to strive for the achievement of his exalted life purpose. Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it.
196:1.4 The common people heard Jesus gladly, and they will again respond to the presentation of his sincere human life of consecrated religious motivation if such truths shall again be proclaimed to the world. The people heard him gladly because he was one of them, an unpretentious layman; the world's greatest religious teacher was indeed a layman.
196:1.5 It should not be the aim of kingdom believers literally to imitate the outward life of Jesus in the flesh but rather to share his faith; to trust God as he trusted God and to believe in men as he believed in men. Jesus never argued about either the fatherhood of God or the brotherhood of men; he was a living illustration of the one and a profound demonstration of the other.
196:1.6 Just as men must progress from the consciousness of the human to the realization of the divine, so did Jesus ascend from the nature of man to the consciousness of the nature of God. And the Master made this great ascent from the human to the divine by the conjoint achievement of the faith of his mortal intellect and the acts of his indwelling Adjuster. The fact-realization of the attainment of totality of divinity (all the while fully conscious of the reality of humanity) was attended by seven stages of faith consciousness of progressive divinization. These stages of progressive self-realization were marked off by the following extraordinary events in the Master's bestowal experience:
1. The arrival of the Thought Adjuster.
2. The messenger of Immanuel who appeared to him at Jerusalem when he was about twelve years old.
3. The manifestations attendant upon his baptism.
4. The experiences on the Mount of Transfiguration.
5. The morontia resurrection.
6. The spirit ascension.
7. The final embrace of the Paradise Father, conferring unlimited sovereignty of his universe."
UFO cultism pure and simple. You lose. Your Celestial's were
"Brain dead cosmic zombies from Mars." Good title for a 50s
movie!
God's Truth
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I don't believe things that are taught by denominations, so you are wrong what you say about me.
We can chose what we think and believe.
I believe God, the Creator of heaven and earth, preserved His written Word for us in the Holy Bible.
And I believe God is The Living Word, never to be petrified by the limitations of the written Word.
To quote a Ribbi about the Bible:
"Over the past several hundred years, the convergence of a mountain of evidence points to the human component of the Bible. There are parallel texts from other traditions (the 22nd chapter of Proverbs for example, parallels almost exactly an Egyptian text written centuries before); there are mistakes, duplications, emendations–even in the Talmud itself, the same passages in the Bible are often quoted with minute differences, demonstrating that more than one manuscript tradition was in circulation."
David Wolpe is the rabbi of Temple Sinai in Los Angeles and the author of several books on Jewish belief.
Aimiel
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Anyone with half-a-lick of sense can see that your challenges don't stand against Christ's Own Words.
Furthermore, the 'blood of the lamb' metaphor can include the Passover-concept,....which was about safety for God's people, not forgiveness of sins. [/QUOTE]The blood of the lamb the Jews use to celebrate Passover is symbolic of The Lamb of God, Whose Blood is necessary for salvation.
Yes, life eternal. Without His Blood it's eternal punishment.
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Jesus says call no man Rabbi.
You will only get wisdom if you obey God as written in the Holy Bible; otherwise, you will only have man's truth, which is rubbish compared to God's Truth.
You are sadly narrow minded, had you been a devout Jew you would have rejected Jesus like the other self righteous scripture worshipers rejected new truth.
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You are not speaking truth about me.
I would have recognized what Jesus was saying as God's Word. See John 6:45.
Nope, you don't recognize the Urantia Book that Jesus sent, plus Jesus was Liberal and very different than the OT way of thinking.
freelight
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Your ignorance is showing..........
Your ignorance is showing..........
You apparently didn't read the passage on 'Jesus the Man', or you would have seen the important and significant points being shared about Jesus the man....and how his exemplary life is a model for our own, as far as a religious life of faith and devotion to God's will is concerned. This principle is fundamental to religion. On this point, you are apparently clueless unless you prove otherwise.
I'd go back and ponder on whats being shared instead of being 'duped' by your own pre-conclusions and assumptions, based on ignorance and presumption. Its a wonder I've given you this much attention and haven't put you back on ignore,...but all things serve a purpose.....even your buffoonery.
pj
Your ignorance is showing..........
You apparently didn't read the passage on 'Jesus the Man', or you would have seen the important and significant points being shared about Jesus the man....and how his exemplary life is a model for our own, as far as a religious life of faith and devotion to God's will is concerned. This principle is fundamental to religion. On this point, you are apparently clueless unless you prove otherwise.
I'd go back and ponder on whats being shared instead of being 'duped' by your own pre-conclusions and assumptions, based on ignorance and presumption. Its a wonder I've given you this much attention and haven't put you back on ignore,...but all things serve a purpose.....even your buffoonery.
pj
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Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament. Would you like to talk more about that?
The incarnation of the Son was to fulfill the will of the Father not a justification of Judaism, it's racial arrogance, exaggerated history or their confused expectations of a Jewish Messiah.
Jesus' Jewish followers naturally forced Jesus into certain Old Testament concepts and prophecies.
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There was a time that being blood related to Abraham was important, for God PROMISED Abraham that He would bring the Savior from Abraham's seed.
Jesus had to be blood related to Abraham because God PROMISED.
Since Jesus came, it does not matter anymore about blood relations...but only the blood of Jesus Christ.
Here you sit, arguing with a "Cultist." You just like to argue, don't ya?
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Are you trying to give us an example of what a hypocrite is?
The covenant with Abraham went to the heads of his descendants, they lost their way and were conceptually unprepared for the incarnation.
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That might be true, except that it does not make the Bible false.
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