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I am not evading anything. I do not have to read your book to know that mere men brought it to you, and according to your own words about the Holy Bible, mere men brought you your book and have made many mistakes.
The Late Great Urantia Revelation
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I am not evading anything. I do not have to read your book to know that mere men brought it to you, and according to your own words about the Holy Bible, mere men brought you your book and have made many mistakes.
I never heard of the Urantia book until I saw it here! It's just
one of many Cultist writings.
one of many Cultist writings.
Pride is a tuff thing for sure, but you still haven't answered the simple question because you can't. You never read the Urantia Book, so you don't know what it says about the relative nature of revelation.
THE LIMITATIONS OF REVELATION
101:4.1 "Because your world is generally ignorant of origins, even of physical origins, it has appeared to be wise from time to time to provide instruction in cosmology. And always has this made trouble for the future. The laws of revelation hamper us greatly by their proscription of the impartation of unearned or premature knowledge. Any cosmology presented as a part of revealed religion is destined to be outgrown in a very short time. Accordingly, future students of such a revelation are tempted to discard any element of genuine religious truth it may contain because they discover errors on the face of the associated cosmologies therein presented.
101:4.2 Mankind should understand that we who participate in the revelation of truth are very rigorously limited by the instructions of our superiors. We are not at liberty to anticipate the scientific discoveries of a thousand years. Revelators must act in accordance with the instructions which form a part of the revelation mandate. We see no way of overcoming this difficulty, either now or at any future time. We full well know that, while the historic facts and religious truths of this series of revelatory presentations will stand on the records of the ages to come, within a few short years many of our statements regarding the physical sciences will stand in need of revision in consequence of additional scientific developments and new discoveries. These new developments we even now foresee, but we are forbidden to include such humanly undiscovered facts in the revelatory records. Let it be made clear that revelations are not necessarily inspired. The cosmology of these revelations is not inspired. It is limited by our permission for the co-ordination and sorting of present-day knowledge. While divine or spiritual insight is a gift, human wisdom must evolve.
101:4.3 Truth is always a revelation: autorevelation when it emerges as a result of the work of the indwelling Adjuster; epochal revelation when it is presented by the function of some other celestial agency, group, or personality.
101:4.4 In the last analysis, religion is to be judged by its fruits, according to the manner and the extent to which it exhibits its own inherent and divine excellence.
101:4.5 Truth may be but relatively inspired, even though revelation is invariably a spiritual phenomenon. While statements with reference to cosmology are never inspired, such revelations are of immense value in that they at least transiently clarify knowledge by:
1. The reduction of confusion by the authoritative elimination of error.
2. The co-ordination of known or about-to-be-known facts and observations.
3. The restoration of important bits of lost knowledge concerning epochal transactions in the distant past.
4. The supplying of information which will fill in vital missing gaps in otherwise earned knowledge.
5. Presenting cosmic data in such a manner as to illuminate the spiritual teachings contained in the accompanying revelation."
freelight
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No insults have been given.......
No insults have been given.......
Please show readers where in post # 7907 where I 'insulted' anyone or anything. - it could be that your adversarial mentality is what is taking any shared info. in the dialogue as 'insulting', so you misrepresent and distort what is being shared. You have also failed to read what Jesus shared with Nathaniel about the so called 'scriptures' here,....and that could be devastating to your 'belief' in the inerrancy of such writings,...so you avoid being challenged on that level.
pj
No insults have been given.......
Please show readers where in post # 7907 where I 'insulted' anyone or anything. - it could be that your adversarial mentality is what is taking any shared info. in the dialogue as 'insulting', so you misrepresent and distort what is being shared. You have also failed to read what Jesus shared with Nathaniel about the so called 'scriptures' here,....and that could be devastating to your 'belief' in the inerrancy of such writings,...so you avoid being challenged on that level.
pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Those intellectually honest continue to research.......
Those intellectually honest continue to research.......
Truth stands on its own,...it is living, vital, alive, illuminating, eternal, infinite, omnipresent/transcendental in nature....it is what IS (timeless....yet includes all time,....dimensionless...yet includes all dimensions of existence).
No one is fighting against the Bible, only moving on with progressive revelation and continued research in the matters of the divine plan and purpose of the cosmos, and our place in it as evolving mortals ever ascending Godward.
pj
Those intellectually honest continue to research.......
Truth stands on its own,...it is living, vital, alive, illuminating, eternal, infinite, omnipresent/transcendental in nature....it is what IS (timeless....yet includes all time,....dimensionless...yet includes all dimensions of existence).
No one is fighting against the Bible, only moving on with progressive revelation and continued research in the matters of the divine plan and purpose of the cosmos, and our place in it as evolving mortals ever ascending Godward.
pj
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Commentary on the text......
Commentary on the text......
This is a significant consideration from this revelation, that subordinate deities, sons of God/angels have communicated with men, and various tribes have taken these heavenly beings as being 'God', so such transmissions were recorded as coming from 'God' himself,....however since there is a complex hierarchy of celestial beings and ministers...and man is subject to distort or condition such communications,....what is given as 'revelation' may be more or less imperfect only relative to any given point in space or time,...so it is limited. The Universal Father himself, who resides in the very center of all the cosmos on the Isle of Paradise (and the Paradise Trinity) is so distant from man that he could barely fathom such, but he does dwell in each mortal as the indwelling thought-adjuster.
Even in the light of progressive revelation, the revelators acknowledge...that even the UB is but an epochal revelation given for this time-period,...and a new dispensation could arrive in the next millennia...or sooner, when the time is ripe and the harvest ready.
The OT is especially under such cultural notions of the God of the storm, the wind and waves,....who rules Nature and governs her forces. We see the psalmist using such imagery often.
The above is important too, as we've challenged the notion and necessity of blood-sacrifice or atonement,...when man can simply surrender to God in prayer, repent and amend his ways,...and this is the true sacrifice,...a humble heart and a contrite spirit. The allegory or symbology of 'blood' may relate to some principles allegorically...but no physical blood can cleanse or transform the conscience or soul of man, apart from his active cooperative repentance and commitment to do God's will.
The center and crown of the revelation of 'God' is Jesus (also called 'Christ-Michael'), who is our Creator-Son, according to the papers. He is NOT The Universal Father,...but of the high order of Creator Sons of God, who are creators and rulers over their own local universes, but these wondrous Creator-Sons are 'God' to us, in as much as they are the divine representatives of 'God' and our very Creators, so indeed to see the 'Son'....is to behold the Father, as far as our mortal and limited spiritual perceptions can perceive at this time, until we arise in our morontial bodies (that realm and nature of being that is inbetween the material and spiritual dimensions), where then we will be that much closer to the Universal Father and Paradise.
pj
Commentary on the text......
This is a significant consideration from this revelation, that subordinate deities, sons of God/angels have communicated with men, and various tribes have taken these heavenly beings as being 'God', so such transmissions were recorded as coming from 'God' himself,....however since there is a complex hierarchy of celestial beings and ministers...and man is subject to distort or condition such communications,....what is given as 'revelation' may be more or less imperfect only relative to any given point in space or time,...so it is limited. The Universal Father himself, who resides in the very center of all the cosmos on the Isle of Paradise (and the Paradise Trinity) is so distant from man that he could barely fathom such, but he does dwell in each mortal as the indwelling thought-adjuster.
Even in the light of progressive revelation, the revelators acknowledge...that even the UB is but an epochal revelation given for this time-period,...and a new dispensation could arrive in the next millennia...or sooner, when the time is ripe and the harvest ready.
The OT is especially under such cultural notions of the God of the storm, the wind and waves,....who rules Nature and governs her forces. We see the psalmist using such imagery often.
The above is important too, as we've challenged the notion and necessity of blood-sacrifice or atonement,...when man can simply surrender to God in prayer, repent and amend his ways,...and this is the true sacrifice,...a humble heart and a contrite spirit. The allegory or symbology of 'blood' may relate to some principles allegorically...but no physical blood can cleanse or transform the conscience or soul of man, apart from his active cooperative repentance and commitment to do God's will.
The center and crown of the revelation of 'God' is Jesus (also called 'Christ-Michael'), who is our Creator-Son, according to the papers. He is NOT The Universal Father,...but of the high order of Creator Sons of God, who are creators and rulers over their own local universes, but these wondrous Creator-Sons are 'God' to us, in as much as they are the divine representatives of 'God' and our very Creators, so indeed to see the 'Son'....is to behold the Father, as far as our mortal and limited spiritual perceptions can perceive at this time, until we arise in our morontial bodies (that realm and nature of being that is inbetween the material and spiritual dimensions), where then we will be that much closer to the Universal Father and Paradise.
pj
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You do not trust the Holy Bible and say men made mistakes in it...then the same to you and your book. You are the one with the pride.
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Your denial means nothing to me.
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Again, you are only denying the truth. You do go against the Holy Bible. You have said that men corrupted it.
True. The rest is ready for the garbage bin!
Hey Freelight, how's those little saucer guys doing?
Anyone wanting to no the "wicked side" of the Urantia Book, follow this You-Tube
presentation. Freelight (Paul) himself comments on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUYlrCjxgpI
presentation. Freelight (Paul) himself comments on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUYlrCjxgpI
I don't make idols or fetishes out of any book, I don't belive things that I don't think are true.
You haven't even read the UB so your opinion is out of complete ignorance.
It's "know" not "no" :rotfl:
Abraham gives a 10% tithe to Melchizedek
"Abraham insisted that the God of Salem had given him victory over his enemies and persisted in giving a tenth of his spoils to the Salem treasury.
"Abraham insisted that the God of Salem had given him victory over his enemies and persisted in giving a tenth of his spoils to the Salem treasury.
....."93:5.5 A few weeks after the death of Abraham's father, Terah, Melchizedek sent one of his students, Jaram the Hittite, to extend this invitation to both Abraham and Nahor: "Come to Salem, where you shall hear our teachings of the truth of the eternal Creator, and in the enlightened offspring of you two brothers shall all the world be blessed." Now Nahor had not wholly accepted the Melchizedek gospel; he remained behind and built up a strong city-state which bore his name; but Lot, Abraham's nephew, decided to go with his uncle to Salem.
93:5.6 Upon arriving at Salem, Abraham and Lot chose a hilly fastness near the city where they could defend themselves against the many surprise attacks of northern raiders. At this time the Hittites, Assyrians, Philistines, and other groups were constantly raiding the tribes of central and southern Palestine. From their stronghold in the hills Abraham and Lot made frequent pilgrimages to Salem.
93:5.7 Not long after they had established themselves near Salem, Abraham and Lot journeyed to the valley of the Nile to obtain food supplies as there was then a drought in Palestine. During his brief sojourn in Egypt Abraham found a distant relative on the Egyptian throne, and he served as the commander of two very successful military expeditions for this king. During the latter part of his sojourn on the Nile he and his wife, Sarah, lived at court, and when leaving Egypt, he was given a share of the spoils of his military campaigns.
93:5.8 It required great determination for Abraham to forego the honors of the Egyptian court and return to the more spiritual work sponsored by Machiventa. But Melchizedek was revered even in Egypt and when the full story was laid before Pharaoh, he strongly urged Abraham to return to the execution of his vows to the cause of Salem. *
93:5.9 Abraham had kingly ambitions, and on the way back from Egypt he laid before Lot his plan to subdue all Canaan and bring its people under the rule of Salem. Lot was more bent on business; so, after a later disagreement, he went to Sodom to engage in trade and animal husbandry. Lot liked neither a military nor a herder's life.
93:5.10 Upon returning with his family to Salem, Abraham began to mature his military projects. He was soon recognized as the civil ruler of the Salem territory and had confederated under his leadership seven near-by tribes. Indeed, it was with great difficulty that Melchizedek restrained Abraham, who was fired with a zeal to go forth and round up the neighboring tribes with the sword that they might thus more quickly be brought to a knowledge of the Salem truths.
93:5.11Melchizedek maintained peaceful relations with all the surrounding tribes; he was not militaristic and was never attacked by any of the armies as they moved back and forth. He was entirely willing that Abraham should formulate a defensive policy for Salem such as was subsequently put into effect, but he would not approve of his pupil's ambitious schemes for conquest; so there occurred a friendly severance of relationship, Abraham going over to Hebron to establish his military capital.
93:5.12 Abraham, because of his close connection with the illustrious Melchizedek, possessed great advantage over the surrounding petty kings; they all revered Melchizedek and unduly feared Abraham. Abraham knew of this fear and only awaited an opportune occasion to attack his neighbors, and this excuse came when some of these rulers presumed to raid the property of his nephew Lot, who dwelt in Sodom. Upon hearing of this, Abraham, at the head of his seven confederated tribes, moved on the enemy. His own bodyguard of 318 officered the army, numbering more than 4,000, which struck at this time.
93:5.13 When Melchizedek heard of Abraham's declaration of war, he went forth to dissuade him but only caught up with his former disciple as he returned victorious from the battle. Abraham insisted that the God of Salem had given him victory over his enemies and persisted in giving a tenth of his spoils to the Salem treasury. The other ninety per cent he removed to his capital at Hebron.
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93:5.6 Upon arriving at Salem, Abraham and Lot chose a hilly fastness near the city where they could defend themselves against the many surprise attacks of northern raiders. At this time the Hittites, Assyrians, Philistines, and other groups were constantly raiding the tribes of central and southern Palestine. From their stronghold in the hills Abraham and Lot made frequent pilgrimages to Salem.
93:5.7 Not long after they had established themselves near Salem, Abraham and Lot journeyed to the valley of the Nile to obtain food supplies as there was then a drought in Palestine. During his brief sojourn in Egypt Abraham found a distant relative on the Egyptian throne, and he served as the commander of two very successful military expeditions for this king. During the latter part of his sojourn on the Nile he and his wife, Sarah, lived at court, and when leaving Egypt, he was given a share of the spoils of his military campaigns.
93:5.8 It required great determination for Abraham to forego the honors of the Egyptian court and return to the more spiritual work sponsored by Machiventa. But Melchizedek was revered even in Egypt and when the full story was laid before Pharaoh, he strongly urged Abraham to return to the execution of his vows to the cause of Salem. *
93:5.9 Abraham had kingly ambitions, and on the way back from Egypt he laid before Lot his plan to subdue all Canaan and bring its people under the rule of Salem. Lot was more bent on business; so, after a later disagreement, he went to Sodom to engage in trade and animal husbandry. Lot liked neither a military nor a herder's life.
93:5.10 Upon returning with his family to Salem, Abraham began to mature his military projects. He was soon recognized as the civil ruler of the Salem territory and had confederated under his leadership seven near-by tribes. Indeed, it was with great difficulty that Melchizedek restrained Abraham, who was fired with a zeal to go forth and round up the neighboring tribes with the sword that they might thus more quickly be brought to a knowledge of the Salem truths.
93:5.11Melchizedek maintained peaceful relations with all the surrounding tribes; he was not militaristic and was never attacked by any of the armies as they moved back and forth. He was entirely willing that Abraham should formulate a defensive policy for Salem such as was subsequently put into effect, but he would not approve of his pupil's ambitious schemes for conquest; so there occurred a friendly severance of relationship, Abraham going over to Hebron to establish his military capital.
93:5.12 Abraham, because of his close connection with the illustrious Melchizedek, possessed great advantage over the surrounding petty kings; they all revered Melchizedek and unduly feared Abraham. Abraham knew of this fear and only awaited an opportune occasion to attack his neighbors, and this excuse came when some of these rulers presumed to raid the property of his nephew Lot, who dwelt in Sodom. Upon hearing of this, Abraham, at the head of his seven confederated tribes, moved on the enemy. His own bodyguard of 318 officered the army, numbering more than 4,000, which struck at this time.
93:5.13 When Melchizedek heard of Abraham's declaration of war, he went forth to dissuade him but only caught up with his former disciple as he returned victorious from the battle. Abraham insisted that the God of Salem had given him victory over his enemies and persisted in giving a tenth of his spoils to the Salem treasury. The other ninety per cent he removed to his capital at Hebron.
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It's truth, not the Urantia Book! :doh:
What do ya think of that You-Tube presentation Caino? Kinda puts a big gaping hole in your belief system huh?
Too bad you two monkeys can't get it together.
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