"The Grace Of Faith": Another Calvinism Failure

[7djengo7]

Calvinist huckster, John Piper, under the question "How Do We Get Grace?", wrote:

Grace is God’s free gift before we do anything good, and his enabling of us to do anything good.

He also wrote:

Therefore grace is always received through faith, not earned by works.

Now, the Westminster divines, under the heading, Of Saving Faith, wrote:

The grace of faith, whereby the elect are enabled to believe to the saving of their souls, is the work of the Spirit of Christ in their hearts, and is ordinarily wrought by the ministry of the Word, by which also, and by the administration of the sacraments, and prayer, it is increased and strengthened.

Calvinism huckster, R. C. Sproul, in an article by the title, The Grace of Faith, wrote:

Take careful note of those first four words. The confession does not simply speak of faith. Rather, it calls our attention to “the grace of faith.” It calls faith a grace because it comes to us as a gift from God—something that we cannot buy, earn, or merit in any way.

There are some examples of Calvinism hucksters claiming that faith is a grace/gift. So, how do we get the grace of faith? Piper has told us, in the quote above, that "grace is always received through faith". Accordingly, receipt of the "grace of faith" will be no exception to this principle, and thus, the answer must be that we receive the grace of faith through FAITH! So, according to Calvinism hucksters, one must have faith through which to receive faith. That is, one must already have the faith they need in order to receive the faith they need in order to receive the faith they need in order to receive....

And, since, according to Calvinism hucksters, regeneration precedes faith, then one, accordingly, needs the grace of regeneration in order to be made capable of having the faith through which to receive grace. That is, you need to be regenerated to have faith, but you cannot receive regeneration except through faith (since regeneration is a grace, and grace can only be received through faith). So, you need to have faith through which to receive the grace of regeneration, which grace is necessary to have, in order to be capable of having faith.

 

[Idolater]

We know that you advise against buying Clavinism.

What should we buy instead?


You'll never answer, and I know why.

 

[glorydaz]

That's all way too complicated. "The Grace of Faith" is unscriptural....where is it found?

We know our faith is in the blood, and we access God's grace through that faith.
Seems pretty simple to me.

Rom. 3:25 Rom. 5:2

 

[Nang]

The free grace of God, gifts saving faith (belief in Jesus Christ),
within the souls of
His elect children, through the (regenerating) power of His Holy
Spirit.

There is no biblical argument against this true Gospel.

 

[glorydaz]

The free grace of God, gifts saving faith (belief in Jesus Christ),
within the souls of
His elect children, through the (regenerating) power of His Holy
Spirit.

There is no biblical argument against this true Gospel.

That isn't any kind of a true Gospel.
You're stunted. What happened, Nang?
Did your hubby take control of the reins again?

 

[Nang]

That isn't any kind of a true Gospel.

You cannot Scripturally prove me wrong.

 

[glorydaz]

You cannot Scripturally prove me wrong.

You can't even make it clear what you wrote.

No point it trying to prove you wrong on what you can't make clear.

 

[Nang]

You can't even make it clear what you wrote.

No point it trying to prove you wrong on what you can't make clear.

Sad you cannot discern the simplest message of Godly Truth.

That is exactly why you cannot Scripturally prove me wrong.

 

[glorydaz]

Sad you cannot discern the simplest message of Godly Truth.

That is exactly why you cannot Scripturally prove me wrong.

Somehow I knew you'd say that. :chuckle:

How about you just try writing a coherent sentence?
You know...with subjects and verbs and such.

 

[Idolater]

The free grace of God, gifts saving faith (belief in Jesus Christ),
within the souls of
His elect children, through the (regenerating) power of His Holy
Spirit.

There is no biblical argument against this true Gospel.

What do you think about this one?

Stab #2

God is real, and He raises the dead. Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God, and He suffered and died for our sins, and He was raised from the dead, and He ascended to heaven, where He is now seated at the right hand of the Father. We can live forever if we believe in Him (Jesus Christ).

I don't think that the above conflicts with your theology, do you? Incidentally, I'm toying with just 'One Sola,' instead of the Five, with the one being 'Solum Evangelium'---Gospel alone.

Either that, or make a sixth?

 

[BoyStan]

It seems many here love to hate so called calvinism.
Their intention is to bludgeon calvinists with their arguments.

The real hucksters are those who only want to argue against calvinism.

Many of the anti -Calvinists,'want to be teachers...but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently
affirm'(1Tim1:7).

Continuous bad blood pours from the anti-calvinists darkened understandings of scripture.

There is no end to such useless arguments.

 

[Robert Pate]

The term "Grace of Faith" is not to be found in the Bible.

The Bible plainly teaches that faith comes by hearing and believing the Gospel, Romans 10:17.

Faith is a natural human attribute that we all posses.

Faith is activated by hearing and believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. On the day of Pentecost 8,000 Jews heard Peter's Gospel, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4 and were born again by the word of God, which is the Gospel, 1 Peter 1:23.

 

[john w]

The term "Grace of Faith" is not to be found in the Bible.

And neither is "the new Adam," and scores of other made up terms, you spam on this sight, but that does not stop you, hypocrite, as you spin it with "it is implied."


Get saved, wolfie Pate.