# The earth is flat and we never went to the moon--Part II

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#### Derf

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Don't forget that you're replying to a guy that thinks that gravity does not exist.
But water still flows downhill.

#### CabinetMaker

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We're talking about your sphere with a top and bottom.
Any 90 degree angle taken from a radial will be sloped not horizontal.
Every point on that line will be above or below the others.
You agreed earlier that horizontal can't be sloped.
Spheres do not have a top and bottom. If you take a basketball and hold it up you will say that it has a top and bottom. However, if you rotate the sphere top to bottom 180°, then the top has become the bottom and the bottom has become the top. So what what does "top" and "bottom" really mean?

Remember, the Earth is really REALLY big and because of that, it has a gravity that always pulls things towards its center. Wherever you go on Earth, down is defined by gravity pulling you towards the center if the planet at that point.

#### 1Mind1Spirit

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Horizontal is ALWAYS defined by the location in which it is measured, and is not sloped by definition.
Wrong.
A horizontal line is a straight line that is parallel to the horizon or the ground. It has zero slope.
Once it is time to hang the cabinet, out comes the level. Local level is always based on the local radial plumb bob. Since level is defined as perpendicular to plumb, the cabinet is always level wherever it is installed.
Wrong.
The level doesn't give a hang about location.
Plumb lines are radial and they always point in the direction of gravity (towards the center of the Earth) no matter where you are on Earth. That is why levels work anywhere on Earth.
So, you think gravity makes a level work?
So, you've got nothing other than a bait and switch?

There is no universal, absolute "up," so "up" in the solar system is defined as pointing towards the North Star, and is completely arbitrary. However, that's not the same "up" that we use for things pertaining to the surface of the earth, which is what we're talking about, not the "up" of the solar system. Instead, "up and down," and thus, "top and bottom" are "towards 'out'" and "towards 'in'',"respectively.
So where's yer globe earth gettin' a 23 degree tilt if you don't have an up and down?

#### 1Mind1Spirit

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Ouch, it hurts.

Ouch.
A horizontal line is a straight line that is parallel to the horizon or the ground. It has zero slope.
Selective hearing much?

#### 1Mind1Spirit

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Horizon Coordinate System The horizon is defined as the dividing line between the Earth and the sky, as seen by an observer on the ground. In the horizon coordinate system the astronomical horizon is the hypothetical interface between Earth and sky, as would be seen by the observer if the surrounding terrain were perfectly flat (as out on a calm ocean).

So... earth measured flat.

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#### Derf

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ESPECIALLY if you missed the point o,O
"Let not many be teachers" comes to mind.

#### Nick M

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This thread can't be real.

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This thread can't be real.

This thread is just Part II. There's a Part I as well.

#### 1Mind1Spirit

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"Let not many be teachers" comes to mind.
Speakin' of teachers. The bald guy is a school teacher and the long hair is a certified home schooler.

#### 1Mind1Spirit

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Looks like you'll have to hit replay. The above video is only 7 minutes .

#### Right Divider

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Looks like you'll have to hit replay. The above video is only 7 minutes .
It's really dumb. Like claiming that Einstein's theory was the "prototype" for the theory of gravity. I'm pretty sure that Newton lived before Einstein.

What do you think makes objects fall to the earth? Magic pixie dust?

#### 1Mind1Spirit

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It's really dumb. Like claiming that Einstein's theory was the "prototype" for the theory of gravity. I'm pretty sure that Newton lived before Einstein.
Maybe you can give Caltech a call and straighten em out.

What do you think makes objects fall to the earth?
You mean like gas molecules, clouds, and balloons?

Magic pixie dust?
I don't need magical anything.
It's you globe believers who need magical gravity.

#### 1Mind1Spirit

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ESPECIALLY if you missed the point o,O
Enlighten me on how you can have a bent horizontal.

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#### Lon

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Enlighten me on how you can have a bent horizontal.
He didn't. He agreed with you and said it couldn't be. While you both agreed, 'how' it applies to need or not need a flat earth is important. It'll further along your conversation if you recognize you and he 'agreed.' That was the 'ouch.' As a preliminary, if you are standing on the slope of a hill, there is still a horizontal level, it is just not going to match the slope you are standing on. It'll meet that hill at its slope and tell you the degree of the slope.

#### Right Divider

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You mean like gas molecules, clouds, and balloons?
I mean like anything; like an apple for example.
I don't need magical anything.
Something causes things to fall from the sky to the earth. What is it?
It's you globe believers who need magical gravity.
Gravity is not magical. It's a simple fact of nature; just like the roughly spherical earth.

#### 1Mind1Spirit

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The second law does not say that all. You are conflating ideal gas laws and entropy.
Not conflating, just got it wrong.
Yes, the second law is about entropy.
Gas will disperse into the available space.

Ideal gas laws do not apply to the atmosphere as it is not a contained system.
Ideal gas law states that gas pressure cannot occur without containment.
If yore "atmosphere" is not contained no air to breathe.
Yer a dead man walkin'.

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