The coronavirus scam

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That's why nobody has used them before during flu and cold seasons. I guess our overlords have decided that we as a general populace have reached a level of stupidity where we'll buy anything. Clearly that is true of some defenders of this useless practice that we see here.
Maybe because the US death rate yearly for those that have contracted a cold or the flu isn't anywhere near 500,000+.
 

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Hi.....
I think that any masks can help to protect the public.....
...... they deter face touching.
...... they are a constant reminder to keep distance from others.
...... they do offer some protection.

Where I live everybody seen in any building, train or bus is wearing them.
there is constant adjusting of the face masks

demonstration on how masks work to infect you . starts @ 8:35


a cloth mask is worse than useless - it gives a false sense of security.
 

ok doser

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there is constant adjusting of the face masks

demonstration on how masks work to infect you . starts @ 8:35


a cloth mask is worse than useless - it gives a false sense of security.
eider doesn't know how YouTube's work
 

way 2 go

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Which is why surgical-grade masks aren’t made of cloth.
Surgical masks are made of non-woven polypropylene plastic.
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A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear surgical masks 42 participants infected

, and 2994 were assigned to control ,not wear masks and 53 were infected
 

ok doser

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A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear surgical masks 42 participants infected

, and 2994 were assigned to control ,not wear masks and 53 were infected
That suggests that we should wear five surgical masks, just to be sure!
 

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If masks don't work, why do surgeons wear them when operating?
Because you are an ignoramus.

Surgical masks do not stop airborne virii. They are designed to do one thing, and one thing only: Stop a surgeon from infecting a patient on the operating table with his/her mouth borne, meaning found in our saliva, germs and virii. These are the germs and virii that are always found in the human mouth. Those are not aerosolized particles measured at less than 5 nanometers in size. Therefore a surgical mask will not stop you from inhaling the coronavirus or stop you from exhaling the coronavirus. These and the flu virii are airborne, not saliva borne.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/health/surgical-mask-wont-protect-you-coronavirus
 

eider

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there is constant adjusting of the face masks

demonstration on how masks work to infect you . starts @ 8:35


a cloth mask is worse than useless - it gives a false sense of security.
You linked a Centura Health film, in which it looks as if all those taking part are wearing masks. And they are (also) exited to be offering the Pfizer vaccination in the film.

In the UK we hear that a % of spectacle wearers have been more protected from Covid. This news is being featured all over but I have chosen one Brit newspaper report for your scrutiny.

For myself, I don't fiddle with my mask, I wear a standard 3 ply mask and don't even think about it until I leave the building. But I do more than that, if need to go to the food-store I visit it before 8am because it tends to be very quiet then. We have mostly been sticking to the lockdown rules.

Our Lockdown and basic health security procedures have tended to be kept and we heard last night that Hospital intake is falling now. Thank goodness for that.
Obviously what you all do in your home States is up to you, but if you believe that only an N95 (for example) can protect you then you might consider wearing one if you ever need to go in to buildings, etc.

In case this link fails, If you copy/paste this link in to google I'm sure it can work.


Do glasses protect from coronavirus?
17 Sept 2020 — Some research suggests eyeglasses may provide barrier from droplets. ... people switch from contact lenses to glasses to prevent Covid-19.
 

way 2 go

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In the UK we hear that a % of spectacle wearers have been more protected from Covid. This news is being featured all over but I have chosen one Brit newspaper report for your scrutiny.

For myself, I don't fiddle with my mask, I wear a standard 3 ply mask and don't even think about it until I leave the building. But I do more than that, if need to go to the food-store I visit it before 8am because it tends to be very quiet then. We have mostly been sticking to the lockdown rules.

Our Lockdown and basic health security procedures have tended to be kept and we heard last night that Hospital intake is falling now. Thank goodness for that.
Obviously what you all do in your home States is up to you, but if you believe that only an N95 (for example) can protect you then you might consider wearing one if you ever need to go in to buildings, etc.

In case this link fails, If you copy/paste this link in to google I'm sure it can work.


Do glasses protect from coronavirus?
17 Sept 2020 — Some research suggests eyeglasses may provide barrier from droplets. ... people switch from contact lenses to glasses to prevent Covid-19.
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Assuming that a person is shedding virus and they produce droplets that contain hitchhiking virus, and assuming the face covering actually stops ALL droplets (best-case scenario), the following molecular pathway will likely occur:


  1. The droplet will lose its moisture. The timing may be different than just going out into the environment but moisture will be lost. However, the expelled droplets may accumulate faster than evaporation. If that happens, the facial covering starts to become saturated with moisture, mucus, cellular debris, bacteria, etc. as well as virus molecules.
  2. The virus molecule DOES NOT EVAPORATE and no matter what happens as far as the droplet is concerned, the virus is now on the face covering, at least initially. This means that the face covering is now contaminated and is a possible source of transmission, both contact and airborne.
  3. The virus is not somehow magically “glued” to the mask but can be expelled, whether or not there is still moisture. This can happen the next time a person breathes, speaks, coughs, sneezes, hisses, grunts, etc. So, the virus can be expelled out INTO THE ENVIRONMENT from the face covering.

So, the face covering acts as an intermediary in transmission. It can alter the timing of the virus getting into the environment, but it now acts as a contact source and airborne source; virus can still get into the environment. Since we know that the stability is good on most covering and mask materials, it does nothing to break down the virus until the covering is removed and either washed or discarded (appropriately).


Here is an important point, as more virus molecules accumulate, more are expelled. The face covering is not some virus black hole that sucks the virus into oblivion.

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Second, what about INGRESS?


What works for egress works for ingress. So, if a person is wearing a face covering and they encounter virus, aerosols, or droplets, the virus and aerosols will likely penetrate. If the droplet is stopped, the surface is now contaminated. This means that if the surface of the covering touches the mouth or nose, you can become contaminated, i.e. infected.


This is a common sight with most face coverings, including the “stylish” coverings that people are wearing (I often see the covering moving back and forth against their mouth and nose even as they breathe, like a diaphragm), as well as with the cheaper dust masks and homemade cloth masks. If you inhale, you can become contaminated. If you touch the face covering, such as pulling it up and down, you can become contaminated.


Further, because the surface is contaminated, a person can also expel the virus back out into the environment just as with egress. This can be done by talking, breathing, coughing, etc.


If governments want to be helpful in reducing severe disease and deaths, imposing more laws and restrictions is not the answer. Rather, focus on educating people on how to better maintain their immune systems. Encourage healthier lifestyles through education and wellness programs, especially in the less fortunate of our society. Provide or encourage businesses to consider better sick leave alternatives for people in ALL jobs/vocations so that people are not driven by the choice of work to live or stay home and be sick.
 

eider

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Assuming that a person is shedding virus and they produce droplets that contain hitchhiking virus, and assuming the face covering actually stops ALL droplets (best-case scenario), the following molecular pathway will likely occur:


  1. The droplet will lose its moisture. The timing may be different than just going out into the environment but moisture will be lost. However, the expelled droplets may accumulate faster than evaporation. If that happens, the facial covering starts to become saturated with moisture, mucus, cellular debris, bacteria, etc. as well as virus molecules.
  2. The virus molecule DOES NOT EVAPORATE and no matter what happens as far as the droplet is concerned, the virus is now on the face covering, at least initially. This means that the face covering is now contaminated and is a possible source of transmission, both contact and airborne.
  3. The virus is not somehow magically “glued” to the mask but can be expelled, whether or not there is still moisture. This can happen the next time a person breathes, speaks, coughs, sneezes, hisses, grunts, etc. So, the virus can be expelled out INTO THE ENVIRONMENT from the face covering.

So, the face covering acts as an intermediary in transmission. It can alter the timing of the virus getting into the environment, but it now acts as a contact source and airborne source; virus can still get into the environment. Since we know that the stability is good on most covering and mask materials, it does nothing to break down the virus until the covering is removed and either washed or discarded (appropriately).


Here is an important point, as more virus molecules accumulate, more are expelled. The face covering is not some virus black hole that sucks the virus into oblivion.

2
Second, what about INGRESS?


What works for egress works for ingress. So, if a person is wearing a face covering and they encounter virus, aerosols, or droplets, the virus and aerosols will likely penetrate. If the droplet is stopped, the surface is now contaminated. This means that if the surface of the covering touches the mouth or nose, you can become contaminated, i.e. infected.


This is a common sight with most face coverings, including the “stylish” coverings that people are wearing (I often see the covering moving back and forth against their mouth and nose even as they breathe, like a diaphragm), as well as with the cheaper dust masks and homemade cloth masks. If you inhale, you can become contaminated. If you touch the face covering, such as pulling it up and down, you can become contaminated.


Further, because the surface is contaminated, a person can also expel the virus back out into the environment just as with egress. This can be done by talking, breathing, coughing, etc.


If governments want to be helpful in reducing severe disease and deaths, imposing more laws and restrictions is not the answer. Rather, focus on educating people on how to better maintain their immune systems. Encourage healthier lifestyles through education and wellness programs, especially in the less fortunate of our society. Provide or encourage businesses to consider better sick leave alternatives for people in ALL jobs/vocations so that people are not driven by the choice of work to live or stay home and be sick.
Roger Koops would have a very difficult time here.
He would be the idiot who refused to wear a mask at an indoor venue, even when offered one for free.
Everybody here lives in unison with the agreed rules, whether they read folks like Koop or not.

We will all wear masks until the order is lifted.
 

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Not every video there will suit your opinion, I'm guessing.
I touched the screen and it switched to the video below.
Loads of jerks spouting their dribble, I reckon. Try fiddling about with the screen and you too may find the video titled:-

Psychology Professor exposed Trump's low IQ.
 

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Roger Koops would have a very difficult time here.
He would be the idiot who refused to wear a mask at an indoor venue, even when offered one for free.
Everybody here lives in unison with the agreed rules, whether they read folks like Koop or not.

We will all wear masks until the order is lifted.

Masks are the new tin-foil hats.
 
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