REPORT: God's plan of salvation

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Galatians 4:7 KJV
(7) Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
 

Lighthouse

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Every "Christian" who has swallowed the swindle of "God's Gift" should go immediately to their nearest dictionary and look up the meaning of the word, "gift".

That Pauline false teaching about accepting "God's gift of eternal life" is not about a gift at all, but a contract. If you all had read your dictionaries as well as you follow Paul Simon says, you'd know that a gift is not a gift when it comes with strings attached. That "gift" of eternal life has big strings attached so it's no gift at all but as I say, a contract: you do this, you get that. You don't do this, you get punished. Some "gift". This is the worst sort of coercion to get people to believe in God by scare tactics and it's pathetic for those of us who have formed a spiritual bond with God and the Spirit of Christ which is one of Family whereas yours is one of slave to a harsh Master. Read what Jesus says about that slave relationship in John's Gospel sometime..
So, what is it that Paul states we must do to receive the "gift"?
 

Zeke

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"It is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth, but of God who shows mercy." You are confusing God's determining the resurrection of God's elect from His work of salvation with the reaction of His people to the blessing God has bestowed upon them. Read Ephesians chapter two.

They have placed mans limited freewill that was in bondage to sin, in the same arena as Gods soveriegn will, and his ultimate plan for all men.

Its still self righteous religion because you some how had the ability to go to God and except the free offer of salvation, but the scripture deputes this myth, God is the potter and man is the lump of clay without the will to seek after the Spirit, until God the potter makes it into the vessel of "His choice". Romans 9-11 explains it quite well but the christian religion doesn't what to teach that glorious truth that God will have mery on all, even those He blinded Romans 11:30-33.


Eternal hell is a pagan myth and won't be found in the early english translations. But these lucky ones will say God is Love and wouldn't override someones freewill even if it was to save them! who needs a friend like that? if you had a loved one who was self destructing and you could prevent it you would, even if it was against their will, don't kid me with your God won't bs. Father they just won't let me save them, oh well son you tried, some sins must have fell out of the bag and escaped among the trees of the garden, where are you sin?

Sorry greiving mother your rotten son is lost forever and Jesus didn't pay for all sin, and some death was victorious, his hands are tied and some things are not possible with God, and Jesus didn't overcome adams transgression for all so sorry, next second pew from the left, get the song book out and lets sing amazing grace for some lucky ones of Gods cosmic lottery.



Grace, Zeke.
 

tudorturtl

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Rumor has it "nowhere on TOL will you find how to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior", so I thought I would give this Front Page Report a bump.

seek the truth, and the truth will set you free. maybe, just maybe you will find him in the book of books.
 

Christ's Word

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I believe any thorough discussion of the plan of Salvation should include some detail on the difference between justification, sanctification, and Salvation should it not?
 

Gurucam

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Rumor has it "nowhere on TOL will you find how to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior", so I thought I would give this Front Page Report a bump.




The most critical information is that one must know Jesus through His Spirit now, in real time in order to be saved and delivered.

The spoken and written words of Jesus counts for nothing at this time, except to introduce the idea that one must seek Jesus, now in real time, in His Spirit and be led into our works by His Spirit, now in real time.

It is Paul (not any of the disciples) who actually embrace Jesus in His Spirit (after Jesus physically left those precincts) and came to know Truth which saved and deliver one.

Paul had the actual experience of communing with Jesus, in the correct way, i.e. through His Spirit, so as to get Truth and be led by Truth.

This made Paul a Christian, an authentic one.

There is no evidence in the KJV N.T. that any of the disciples had achieved this actualization, of actually becoming Christians, although it is recorded there that they were called Christians.

There is clear evidence that Paul had achieve this actualization and become Christian.

Therefore Paul can seek to convey how this is achieved and done.

This is why Paul stand out. He was the first person to become an authentic Christian from among those people.

How did he do it?

He was led by Jesus who is the Truth, the way and the life.

How was he led by Jesus? He was led by Jesus by discerning precisely what Jesus wanted him to know, pray for, say and do, intuitively and directly from the Spirit of Jesus within his own heart or spirit. Then he simply obey unconditionally, even if he had to transgress the law.

There is no path to righteousness with God through the physically spoken and physically read words from Jesus or any one else.

The path to God's righteousness is only though the Spirit of Jesus which God sent into the hearts of those under the law so that they might (i.e. have an opportunity to) become adopted children of God. One has to pick up this offer which is a gift from God. This is how it is done:

One under the law has to awaken to his own spirit or heart (become born again). Then he has to search his heart or spirit so as to come into communion with the Spirit of Jesus within his own heart or spirit. Then one must discern in real time, all the time, precisely what this Spirit has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do. Then one must be led into all of one's work in real time, all the time, by unconditionally obeying (even if one has to transgress the law) precisely what this Spirit has in mind for one to know, pray for, say and do as discerned in real time, all the time, from within one's own heart or spirit.

This will put one under grace of God. This will make one a child of God, This will make one a Christian. This will earn one God given liberty and justification to transgress the Ten Commandments and not get sin. This will put one in absolute righteousness with God. By living in this manner one is glorified by God. When enough people on earth are living in this manner God's will comes to dominate on earth and God's kingdom of heaven descends to earth.

This is a summary of the whole message. Jesus suffered persecution, denial, torture and death among men, to awaken this message, in the hearts of men.
 

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Why do any of these questions matter if y'all serve an omniscient god.
question:did jesus suffer worse than any other human on earth who was before or will come.
 

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The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept God’s gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

Who needs the gift
The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of God’s great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

A price to be paid
The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death…"

Payment in full
But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Salvation
However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from God’s sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Putting it all together
The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.
 

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The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept God’s gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

Who needs the gift
The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of God’s great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

A price to be paid
The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death…"

Payment in full
But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Salvation
However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from God’s sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Putting it all together
The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.

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glorydaz

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The most important question that anyone will ever be required to answer in life is the same question that will determine the true quality to which that life can be lived for all eternity. The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" The answer to this one question will determine eternity for you. The question is not, "Are you a good person?" or, "Do you go to church?" Or even, "Do you have a knowledge that Jesus Christ lived and died?" The question is, "Have you accepted God’s gift of salvation?" If you have, then you are free from the debt of sin and will enjoy eternity in a loving relationship with the God of all creation. If you decide not to accept God’s gift, then you will spend eternity burdened with the debt of your sin and all of its horrible consequences. God is a gentleman and will not force anyone to live with Him. He has given us the free choice to accept and love Him, or to reject and be apart from Him.

Who needs the gift
The Bible tells us that everyone is in need of God’s great mercy: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

A price to be paid
The debt, or price of sin, is separation from God who is holy. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death…"

Payment in full
But God is loving and wants to have fellowship with His children. Like any good father, He does not want us to die. However, He is a just God and could not simply pretend that we had never sinned and allow us to go free without the debt being paid. So He made a way for us to come back into union with Him, and still maintain justice so that the debt is paid in full. God Himself paid our price, not with the wink of an eye, but with His own blood. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Salvation
However, a gift, no matter how great and wonderful, is useless if it is not accepted. In order to benefit from God’s sacrifice for us, you must accept the gift. The Bible states: Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

Putting it all together
The choice is as simple as it is vital. Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name.

This post deserves all the bumps it's been given. :thumb:
 

Totton Linnet

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Every "Christian" who has swallowed the swindle of "God's Gift" should go immediately to their nearest dictionary and look up the meaning of the word, "gift".

That Pauline false teaching about accepting "God's gift of eternal life" is not about a gift at all, but a contract. If you all had read your dictionaries as well as you follow Paul Simon says, you'd know that a gift is not a gift when it comes with strings attached. That "gift" of eternal life has big strings attached so it's no gift at all but as I say, a contract: you do this, you get that. You don't do this, you get punished. Some "gift". This is the worst sort of coercion to get people to believe in God by scare tactics and it's pathetic for those of us who have formed a spiritual bond with God and the Spirit of Christ which is one of Family whereas yours is one of slave to a harsh Master. Read what Jesus says about that slave relationship in John's Gospel sometime..

We's sons and daughters, we rejoice to please our dear Father, we mourn to displease Him especially so as whether we please Him or displease Him our salvation is assured, such grace. Yes there is sin if it be wilful and persisted in that will bring punishment to us here in this life, it grieves the Fatherheart of God to have to discipline His children.

What father does not discipline his children? Even if God punish us we can take comfort that we are children and no bastards.
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Jul Must

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Every one who knows of Gods Plan for Salvation knows that we are saved by Grace. Yet there is a wide diversity in the meaning of Saved by Grace.

I once saw a man who had figured out the whole thing. He had two lists. One list showed all that God has done, the other list showed everything that man had to do. God's list he called Grace. Man's list he called "Whatever.... insert your pet doctrine". The latest fad has been to call Man's List "relationship with Jesus" or "accepting His gift"

It reminds me of the song by the Who, "Won't Get Fooled Again". As the song comes to its end the music builds up to a great crescndo wherein the singer gives out a loud primeval scream, "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

As long as you think there is some list of human reaction required by man, no matter how small, you have mixed the Grace of God with human works.

Mixing Grace with "acceptance of the gift" will deter any further spiritual growth.

........Jul Must
 
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servantofChrist

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What Did The Apostle Peter Say?

What Did The Apostle Peter Say?

Hello everyone,

Someone wrote:

"Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner. Tell God that you realize that the price for your debt is death, but that you accept His gift and believe that the Lord Jesus Christ died for your (personal) sins. Tell Him that you believe that He raised Jesus from the dead, showing that you also will be raised. Then thank Him. What a wonderful Father. He made the entire universe, the billions of stars and planets and galaxies. He constructed the incredible complexity of the human brain. He holds all of creation together by the power of His spoken Word. That He would be willing to come to us, to be humbled and beaten and spit upon and even to suffer the death of the cross, for you and me, that is a God to love. A God to thank and to praise forever and ever. How wonderful is His name."

The first occurrence of the gospel of Christ being preached is recorded in Acts 2. Every word that came forth from the mouth of Peter was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

At the end of the message, when the people there knew that they were guilty of sin and asked, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" Did the Holy Spirit respond with the words above, starting with, "Humble yourself before God and admit that you are a sinner."? No. Rather, the Spirit immediately answered their question with this command:


"And Peter said to them, 'Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Acts 2:38

So there is a two-part command for everyone to obey: "Repent" and "be baptized."
 

servantofChrist

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Question:

If salvation by grace means that man's works have nothing to do with being saved, then what is the meaning of these words in Heb. 5:9 --- "And he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him."
 
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servantofChrist

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What Did Peter Say?

What Did Peter Say?

Another Question:

If salvation is a gift that requires nothing on the part of man except to simply accept it, then why did Peter NOT say that to the Jews when he told them (in Acts 2) that they had put to death the Son of God, and then they asked, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Did he say, "All you have to do is just accept God's gift of salvation!"

No, he didn't. He immediately answered their question with a two-part command which, in the Greek, was given in the imperative mood -- meaning that obedience to those two commands ("repent and be baptized") was not optional; it was required of them.
 
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Lighthouse

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Question:

If salvation by grace means that man's works have nothing to do with being saved, then what is the meaning of these words in Heb. 5:9 --- "And he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him."

Another Question:

If salvation is a gift that requires nothing on the part of man except to simply accept it, then why did Peter NOT say that to the Jews when he told them (in Acts 2) that they had put to death the Son of God, and then they asked, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"

Did he say, "All you have to do is just accept God's gift of salvation!"

No, he didn't. He immediately answered their question with a two-part command which, in the Greek, was given in the imperative mood -- meaning that obedience to those two commands ("repent and be baptized") was not optional; it was required of them.
Learn about dispensations.
 

intojoy

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Did you know that salvation is absolutely free? and that we do not have to do anything to get saved? Well what do the Scriptures teach? Lets see.

Well, John 3:16 is the most famous verse ever quoted in the world but I want you to see and hear what Jesus said just two verses earlier in verse 14 Jesus is pointing to a historical event to make a point about God's love.

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; (John 3:14 ASV)

The event happened when God led the Jews out from Egypt. As was their habit the people grumbled and sinned while out in the wilderness on their way to the promised land. God responds by judging and disciplining them and on this occasion God sent serpents into their midst:

And Jehovah sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. (Numbers 21:6 ASV)

The people of Israel then do their normal thing - they ask Moses to pray for them for forgiveness from The Lord. Moses prays and God forgives them:

And the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, because we have spoken against Jehovah, and against thee; pray unto Jehovah, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. (Numbers 21:7 ASV)

God forgives the people but on one condition: Moses is to hold the serpent up for the congregation to gaze upon.

Then the Lord said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live." (Numbers 21:8 NASB)

It was not how guilty they felt or how long they stared at it in the heat of the desert sun, it was simply the look of faith.

And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived. (Numbers 21:9 NASB)

If they were hard hearted and stiff necked they died in their sins.

Let's continue on now with Jesus's words:

so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3:15, 16 NASB)

God has lifted up our object of faith, Jesus the Messiah on a cross. We are to humble ourselves, coming to the realization that personal righteousness and holiness is outside of our capabilities, and look to our God and Father who said:

so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. (John 3:15, 17 NASB)

If we refuse to believe that salvation is by grace alone thru faith alone in Messiah alone plus nothing then we are not really believing on Him that was sent and are under the following judgement:

so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:15, 18 NASB)

If you have followed the teachings of any other variation from what the bible clearly states concerning the content of faith for salvation then you have accepted the accusation of other religions teaching concerning not only these simple words of Christ but all of the other passages of scripture concerning God's free offer of imputed righteousness.
 

intojoy

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Romans 3:24: being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

God bless u servant
 
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