ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
well, when i do and you visit me in the hospital, you better pat my back and tell me it wasn't my fault, or i'll tell everybody you're hard-hearted
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well, when i do and you visit me in the hospital, you better pat my back and tell me it wasn't my fault, or i'll tell everybody you're hard-hearted
musterion
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The principal of sowing/reaping could be argued to entail deservedness of whatever happens to results from one's choices, good OR bad.
The biggest point of contention would likely be, when it comes to bad, where does deserve start? Why do people in some situations deserve what comes upon them as a result of their poor choices...while other, equally poor choosers do not deserve what happens?
Put another way: if people who make good choices deserve the good that comes, by what logic do people who make bad choices not deserve the bad that comes?
Put yet another way: why should the universal law of natural consequences - which does exist - apply only in select situations but not in others? And who has the authority to determine which is which?
Just asking for the sake of conversation, since this general topic is now going in a direction not necessarily limited to sexual assaults.
The biggest point of contention would likely be, when it comes to bad, where does deserve start? Why do people in some situations deserve what comes upon them as a result of their poor choices...while other, equally poor choosers do not deserve what happens?
Put another way: if people who make good choices deserve the good that comes, by what logic do people who make bad choices not deserve the bad that comes?
Put yet another way: why should the universal law of natural consequences - which does exist - apply only in select situations but not in others? And who has the authority to determine which is which?
Just asking for the sake of conversation, since this general topic is now going in a direction not necessarily limited to sexual assaults.
ClimateSanity
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You are the king of annoyers
glorydaz
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Dream on. I'd tell you to get up and stop sniveling. AND, you'd thank me for it later.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
Dream on. I'd tell you to get up and stop sniveling. AND, you'd thank me for it later.
you only say that because you want to put me in a burkha
musterion
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We can disagree about what it was, but the Apostle Paul did warn of homosexuals "receiving in themselves that recompence [earned reward, retribution] of their error which was meet [necessary, inevitable, due]."
Some translations have said deserve here, but I'm not sure that that's warranted. Or is it? Does Paul's invoking an inevitable, earned reward or retribution imply deservedness? Appears to me that it does.
theophilus
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musterion
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If it's due, isn't it (whatever "it" is) also deserved?
glorydaz
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Well, we know that blessings like rain fall on the just and the unjust alike, but that in no way limits God in His workings. Just as the kindness and goodness of God leads us to turn to Him to begin with, His allowance of those natural consequences can also cause us to turn to Him. It's why we see so many instances where people are brought so low that they turn to God. It's why some have to go through more than others before they get desperate enough to reach out to HIM.
As Ezra 9:13 tells us "God has punished us less than our iniquities deserve". If He didn't, we would cease to exist in short order.
I think we can actually interfere with God's will for people....a sort of amateur providence...when we step in with "good intentions" and spare people from the very lesson God would have them learn.
glorydaz
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Yep....just deserts.
theophilus
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Who decides that but God?
I know what I deserve but cannot know what another may or may not deserve.
I don't think "deserve" and "due" are the same thing.
My rent is due but my landlord doesn't deserve it. It's his due.
musterion
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The simple point I'm making (and have been trying to make) is, actions have consequences. We teach children that from the earliest ages: good and wise choices tend to eventuate in desirable results; foolish or bad choices tend toward pain and calamity. A modern way of saying it (which I happen to like) is, "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." It's the biblical principal of reaping whatever it is you chose to sow.
Charlie Sheen, for example. Does he 'deserve' AIDS? Using the d-word entails making some level of judgment call, but if he chose to engage in behaviors which he surely knew could eventuate in this very bad result, then he has received in himself the due [earned] recompense [result, reward] of his error. The parallel to the ongoing controversy on TOL draws itself.
Arthur Brain
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Eh? Where the hell do you get that idea from?! I think you'll find it's the exact opposite GD, that most people don't in fact think any such thing.
:AMR:
glorydaz
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Yeah, you got me there, Artie. I take my data from the good old days, when the moral majority was the majority. Now the immoral are the majority. And they are even having an effect on the old "moral majority". Which is why it should surprise none of us that good is being called evil and evil is being called good.
musterion
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Language.
glorydaz
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You know why this thread didn't take off? Too much common sense, and it does not fit in with the PC police women.
Arthur Brain
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glorydaz
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And they said you had a brain. :nono:
de·serve
dəˈzərv/
verb
do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment).
dəˈzərv/
verb
do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment).
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truthjourney
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Yeah I think we all know how you feel about it doser. According to you women choose to be raped and that if they are raped then they asked for it and deserved it. You just keep repeating yourself over and over. Now it's just redundancy. :deadhorse:
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