ECT let me provoke your thinking with this question:

[patrick jane]

Did you think I am Jesus only?

LA

I am

 

[Lazy afternoon]

I am

You are Jesus only you say.

Interesting.

LA

 

[Cross Reference]

Did you think I am Jesus only?

LA

I get that impression from time to time. I really don't follow you that much. Yer tough to.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

Let me be clear: I don't believe there existed in Heaven a sonship of Jesus as given us to believe. Who was He but the Word, the expression of God's Heart/Spirit. It was the expression of God that created everything. He had a form Moses witnessed (Exo.33:22). The Word then submitted Himself to the Will of God that He would lay aside His Glory to become a human, made a little lower than the angels, made vulnerable to be part of all Adamic progeny with its subjection to "vanity" (Rom. 8:20 KJV), even unto death.

If you will read this for understanding it will explain the temporary transfiguration Jesus went through on the mount and His "It is Finished" on the cross with regards to redemption.

Until now the Father works and I work.

Christ was never subject to vanity.

Had Christ been subject to vanity he would have finished nothing.

You're gettin' nuttier every day.

God covered Moses with his hand which is Christ, therefore he never saw the glory but had to hope for it through Christ, same as all of us.

 

[themuzicman]

Did Jesus Christ visit this earth only because Adam and all his posterity have sinned, or was it in the original plan and eternal purpose of the Father that His Son should visit earth, become incarnate, and thereby make possible a vital union with man? In other words, was it according to the Father’s eternal purpose for His Son to visit earth even if Adam had never sinned?

I happen to think Christ's coming was a contingency plan in the even that man sinned.

 

[Cross Reference]

I happen to think Christ's coming was a contingency plan in the even that man sinned.

Amen! I believe that as well.

Question for you:

Is redeemed man still able to fall away from God unto destruction; eternal separation from God?

 

[serpentdove]

...[W]as it according to the Father’s eternal purpose for His Son to visit earth even if Adam had never sinned?

He formed the earth to be inhabited (Is. 45:18). lain:

As a reminder Cross Reference is number 7 on Satan, Inc. (TOL Heretics list) in the Misc. category. :burnlib:

 

[serpentdove]

We are given the greatest commandments to love God and to love our neighbour. In a way the commandment to love is a kind of free will.

He won't demand you love him. That would make him sick. Jer 31:3, Lk 23:34

See:

Roman Catholicism

 

[serpentdove]

...The question addresses, did God have a plan before the foundation of the world?

It is a 'perfect foreknowledge' question.

Foreknowledge of that which is knowable.

 

[serpentdove]

God foreknows all things, which leads to many more questions. To ask, 'what if Adam never sinned', leads to then why waste time with Adam, why not fast forward and get to God's Son Jesus Christ...

You think God has a DVR? :dizzy:

 

[serpentdove]

...But God also holds the power of heaven or hell over each and everyone of us.

God doesn't send anyone to hell. You do that all by yourself, linger: CathOlic. :burnlib: Jud 11, Matt. 25:41

 

[TulipBee]

Did Jesus Christ visit this earth only because Adam and all his posterity have sinned, or was it in the original plan and eternal purpose of the Father that His Son should visit earth, become incarnate, and thereby make possible a vital union with man? In other words, was it according to the Father’s eternal purpose for His Son to visit earth even if Adam had never sinned?

God drew. God gave what he drew to Jesus. Jesus died only for those God drew. Thats why Jesus came and died on earth. That was the plan before earth ever formed.

 

[JosephR]

God drew. God gave what he drew to Jesus. Jesus died only for those God drew. Thats why Jesus came and died on earth. That was the plan before earth ever formed.

thats what u been taught and accept,,what is truth ?

 

[Cross Reference]

God drew. God gave what he drew to Jesus. Jesus died only for those God drew. Thats why Jesus came and died on earth. That was the plan before earth ever formed.

Obviously you have never read the Bible.

 

[TulipBee]

You think God has a DVR? :dizzy:

God made a permanent dvd before the earth was created. This proves the elects had nothing to do with being chosen as sheep. That flushes free will right down the toilet.

 

[TulipBee]

thats what u been taught and accept,,what is truth ?

What I read from the bible is what I'm going to get. What you see is what you get.

 

[serpentdove]

God made a permanent dvd before the earth was created. This proves the elects had nothing to do with being chosen as sheep. That flushes free will right down the toilet.

:hammer: Your theology comes from Greek paganism not the bible. oly:

See:

Does God Elect Everyone?
Predestination and Will: How are predestination and election connected with foreknowledge?

 

[TulipBee]

God doesn't send anyone to hell. You do that all by yourself, linger: CathOlic. :burnlib: Jud 11, Matt. 25:41

All mankind send themselves to hell all by themselves and they like it. It is grace that God saved at least one person and you're jealous and demand to be included.

 

[TulipBee]

Obviously you have never read the Bible.

Didn't have to cause its written in my heart. God softened it.

 

[Cross Reference]

Didn't have to cause its written in my heart. God softened it.

Uh, OK, it's just Jesus or God and you. Got it!